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Automation Gallery said:
Gee, he is probably the only Toronto mayor that ever opened up City Hall for a full face to face marathon discussion with its citizens...and now he's getting trashed for doing so, what a bunch of Whiners and Cry-Baby's.

Come to City Hall to demand respect for every Torontonian - Our Communities,
Public Services, and Good Jobs..


Such rubbish ...The extreme lefties in this town are definitely out of control, and thank goodness that they're only a drop in the bucket of our overall population.
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Your posts are generally annoying and ignorant, but now this.
 
Meanwhile, the Toronto Sun continues to throw off more radiation from it's flares:

Mr. Mammoliti is suggesting that panhandling be made illegal everywhere in the city:
“I would eliminate all shelters, too, and have the province and the private sector chip in to build transitional housing with all of the support mechanisms. There is a cost but it’s a much better solution than having the same panhandler on the same corner for 20 years.â€

Besides the fact that the quote doesn't make much sense - replace shelters with...shelters?, He advocates forcible hospitalization of all homeless/panhandlers (there's not much of a distinction going on.)

When asked, "And if they head straight back to the street?
“Police would bring them back to the hospital,†he said. “If it kept happening over and over again perhaps the province would see the light and start to get serious about solutions.â€"

I can scarce imagines the legal and practical problems this would entail, not to mention the small army needed to implement it.

He then advocates for a tent city and legal panhandling zone in front of Queen's Park.

This on the same day as his remarks about weeding out smelly, whiny communists. Was this guy hired in an attempt to make Ford look passably sane and practical?
The only former leftie who made such an about-face that I can think of off-the-cuff was Barbara Amiel. But her leftadelic experience was pretty much limited to her student days. Mammoliti was a former Union president and NDP' MPP. Very peculiar.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/09/time-to-finally-deal-with-panhandlers
 
TonyV said:
This mayoralty sure has people talking. With every outing that I take, of late, I hear dissin' going on, in theatre and/or cinema lobbies, in restaurants, in lineups, in stores. I have yet to hear anyone in these groups defending mayortwins and their entourage.

This is all downtown action I'm referring to, but consider also that I've got suburban relatives who really regret having voted for the mayortwins.

So, there is a good outcome of all of this, people chatting about politics.
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i'm in the burbs, I've talked to many people who feel that reducing / closing public services will disenfranchise already marginalized groups. and recently with the London riots, it reinforces their concerns.
 
CanadianNational said:
Besides the fact that the quote doesn't make much sense - replace shelters with...shelters?, He advocates forcible hospitalization of all homeless/panhandlers (there's not much of a distinction going on.)

When asked, "And if they head straight back to the street?
“Police would bring them back to the hospital,†he said. “If it kept happening over and over again perhaps the province would see the light and start to get serious about solutions.â€"
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The whole hospital thing is dumb and illegal, police and paramedics can't just take people to the hospital, they have to come willingly or be apprehended under the mental health act.
Not to mention the whole prospect of filling already full emergency rooms with non-sick people is pretty ridiculous.
 
Regardless of how idiotic Ford may seem at times, I'd have to agree that Hume really seems like an obsessed whiner these days.
 
CanadianNational said:
He then advocates for a tent city and legal panhandling zone in front of Queen's Park.
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He didn't suggest a 'legal panhandling zone' per se, but that he's ban it everywhere on Toronto property other than Queen's Park. He is trying to get more attention from the province on the matter by encouraging people to be visible right where the provincial leaders work. Or do you not think the province should be pulling more of their weight on this?

Giorgio Mammolitti" said:
“We have tried to get the province to listen in the more conventional way. Maybe if they were to see the panhandling when they arrive at work, they will realize it’s a major problem for Toronto”
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...something a little curious:
The Globe & Mail said:
Anthony Vella, 56, was charged in July after allegedly leaving a threatening message on the city’s 311 service.
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Don't we have an anti-RF poster going by the name TonyV?
 
It seems that Mammoliti wants to stop public funds going towards shelters and get some private sector (yeah, right:rolleyes:) and the province to open a homeless shelter.

The whole send panhandlers to the hospital thing seems like dumping the problem onto the province. (province pays for hospitals, right?)

Isn't this like some guy asking the government for handouts? Fordies don't like the whole welfare state thing, and here we have Mammoliti essentially wanting the province to pay for a Toronto problem. Seems a bit socialist to me.
 
Marko said:
...something a little curious:

Don't we have an anti-RF poster going by the name TonyV?
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Pure stupid speculation on your part, Marko. Nope, it ain't me. And if you look up little, you will read my opinion on this matter - the martyring of RF would be the dumbest event of all, in any event. Further comment on anything you may have to say would be a waste of precious time.
 
What services could we/should we be expanding and improving?

I was going to post this in a new thread, but turns out I don't have sufficient privileges. Anyway, the reason I ask is that a lot of people are getting worked up and organised for what seems to be an all out effort to stop cuts, i.e. keeping things the same. Seems like a bit of a waste of peoples' energies . . . Apart from expanding access to affordable/attainable housing in the city (given the extent of the housing waitlist) and expanding access to affordable/attainable childcare (again, given the extent of the waitlist) what other services/programs/products offered by the City need to be improved and expanded?
 
TonyV said:
Pure stupid speculation on your part, Marko. Nope, it ain't me. And if you look up little, you will read my opinion on this matter - the martyring of RF would be the dumbest event of all, in any event. Further comment on anything you may have to say would be a waste of precious time.
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People make idle threats all the time. There's a huge leap between making a threat and someone actually doing (making him a martyr) , though.

Besides, it was a tongue-in-cheek question Tony, not an accusation. I guess I should have written in green font to be obvious? In any case, I apologize.
 
Toronto is in The Guardian today:

Regrettably, the new mayor and his administration have done little to diminish tensions between Toronto's road-users.

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In light of obvious environmental issues and Toronto's severe traffic congestion, why would the city approve policies that encourage its citizens to rely increasingly on cars? Could the city's marginalising of cyclists account for an increasing number who break the rules (by riding on the pavement, using their phones while cycling, not signalling their left-hand turns, etc)? This approach should not only be seen as misguided, but dangerous
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bike-blog/2011/aug/11/toronto-bike-lanes-removed
 
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