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AlvinofDiaspar said:
You'd have no choice, you are chosen to represent not just yourself, but the values of those who voted for you as well. It's called diplomacy and tact - and we practice it everyday in our dealings with people.

Personally in the same situation I am probably not so inclined to be magnanimous - the "end of an era, and period of self reflection on the impermanence of life" is probably the gentlest - and most philosophical and honest way to put it.

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So when dealing with "people" we exercise diplomacy and tact, but on an internet forum we let our true colours show and say we're happy someone is dead, etc.? Basically say things in an internet forum, you never would say in person.

So when we're anonymous we say what we really feel? But in person, where we're visible, we act with "diplomacy and tact"? Kind of hypocritical and cowardly, no?
 
droyces said:
Just curious what justice awaits those of us who fail your test with regards to things like "decorum and basic decency"? I assume you are the one to ask as you appear to be judge and juror in this area?
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Can't answer for anyone else, but for myself, I find you boring and shrill, so I'm putting you on ignore. Ah, bliss!
 
droyces said:
Unlike the others...my wish is not sincere...simply being done as a reaction to others. Many of the posts on here are revolting. Remember everyone on here..."glass houses".
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That's funny - because no one would know whether you are sincere or not except you - nor you of the sincerity of others.

AoD
 
droyces said:
Just curious what justice awaits those of us who fail your test with regards to things like "decorum and basic decency"? I assume you are the one to ask as you appear to be judge and juror in this area?
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I'm sure the 911 operators that answered calls from the multiple domestic disputes at the residence could answer what constitutes basic decency. Or perhaps Renata herself? Or the men that Rob offered her up sexually too? Come down off your high horse.
 
DanforthGuy said:
So when dealing with "people" we exercise diplomacy and tact, but on an internet forum we let our true colours show and say we're happy someone is dead, etc.? Basically say things in an internet forum, you never would say in person.

So when we're anonymous we say what we really feel? But in person, where we're visible, we act with "diplomacy and tact"? Kind of hypocritical and cowardly, no?
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Not just an internet forum -but people censor thoughts and feelings according to the sphere they operate in (close friends, general public, official statements in positions of power, etc) You may call it cowardly and hypocritical - but at the end of the day, society don't function very well unless one is diplomatic in public. You don't get to say things in public just because you thought it in your head or shared it with a few close friends. Or dumped it out online.

You don't do it? I highly doubt that - just look at how we censor ourselves in public in say the realm of sexuality and what constitute "appropriate behaviour". We most certainly do NOT say what we feel and get away with it.

AoD
 
glass houses? Anyone else here smoked crack with gang members while holding elected office? Get escorted home by cops while drunk driving? Pass mysterious envelopes back and forth with a weed dealer? Bring your kids to a public event while snookered on something? Call your wife a whore while on the phone with an employee? Reference oral sex at a presser? Suggest oral sex to an employee while drunk, at City Hall? Lend your SUV out to (a younger, female) fellow rehaber who drove it drunk? I could go on, and on, and on. No one here has said "yay, he's dead" but please, let's not revise history.
 
So, what does this do for Ford Nation? Does it strengthen them or is this a huge blow? He was much more "likable" than Doug or any other family member who was in the public eye.
 
I will go on record as saying I am relieved he is dead, for the simple reason that if he had beaten this I guarantee he would have run for mayor again. His death removes the risk that any advances on transit and other important Toronto issues that the current administration achieves are undone.
 
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Videodrome said:
So, what does this do for Ford Nation? Does it strengthen them or is this a huge blow? He was much more "likable" than Doug or any other family member who was in the public eye.
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My guess is that Ford Nation is the product of a specific set of circumstances, not the least of which is memories of when Rob was an effective retail politician. That's all gone now, short of the odd IHTW nutbars.

Mike will win the seat and fade into the wallpaper along with the other 30 or so silent councillors we never hear in the news. Doug's checkbook, but not face, will be welcome at PCPO fundraisers. Mamolliti and other assorted assbags will try to harness FN's energy and fail completely. Tory will comfortably win re-election in 2018 and the whole thing will just be a bad dream.

...Until 2022, when Tory will flame out in one of his signature blunders and the next affluenzad populist will step up to the plate.
 
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