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if we amalgamated Mississauga into the mix, Mississaugans would vote en masse for whoever promises a subway to Square One. They don't because they know they can't realistically afford it, but if they were a part of Toronto they'd lose sight of that fact and count on us to subsidise it.
Does not compute. We're already getting a subway extension to York Region (with a second one in the pipeline) despite York Region not being amalgamated with Toronto, and that happened under a Mayor who had huge support within the old City of Toronto.

Besides which, transit was governed by Metro pre-amalgamation, so I'm not seeing how amalgamation has made much of a difference. And let's not forget that it was enlightened downtown Councillors who destroyed any hope for a downtown relief line in the 80's, and then when $8 billion of transit money was thrown our way a mere 4-5 years ago, the enlightened downtown Councillors of that era had no objection to spending none of it on a DRL.
 
I'm not saying that amalgamation or de-amalgamation would lead to a particular set of decisions or another, but rather that the nature of municipal politics would be very different. Smaller municipalities would be more versatile and more in touch with their limitations.

Back in the 80s (old) Torontonians were doing what they thought was best for them, and the other old cities were doing likewise. Now all of them need to pass every little decision by a bunch of people with very different interests. The current system blocks the dynamism that makes great cities great able to transform themselves as needed.

If you group very heterogeneous geographical groups together and force them to compete for a ridiculously small budget, you will end up with polarization and populism.

P.S. I don't care that much for a DRL myself. It would benefit the suburbs more than anything. It's important and its great, but it's way down in the list of things that would make my life better as a downtowner.
 
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I'm getting tired of politics.

I propose an armed revolt. Next Saturday, us UTers should form a small militia and take control of the city by force. Convert the city into a dictatorship, get rid of the political panderers (no more subway extensions to the middle of nowhere) and give Toronto what it needs. Who's with me?

Before one of you calls the cops, this is sarcasm. Calm yourselves.
 
I'm getting tired of politics.

I propose an armed revolt. Next Saturday, us UTers should form a small militia and take control of the city by force. Convert the city into a dictatorship, get rid of the political panderers (no more subway extensions to the middle of nowhere) and give Toronto what it needs. Who's with me?

Before one of you calls the cops, this is sarcasm. Calm yourselves.

I here I was about to arm myself with travel size bottles and tubes of shampoo and toothpaste.
 
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/05/rob-fords-popularity-on-the-rise-poll

It's fascinating how the Sun and Ford have managed to spin his fumbles into percieved attacks by the left.

Though re the smoke and mirrors of these either positive or on-the-rise or not-in-the-basement polls for Ford, in the aftermath of Doug Ford stating his Queens Park-ian intentions, may I offer a little food for thought--as of yet, going on a quarter of a decade since Ford became Mayor, the apparent/alleged popularity of Ford Nation has not been truly put to the affirmative test "where it counts", i.e. at the ballot box, with an actual campaign (and countered by an actual opposition campaign) behind it.

Sure, one can point to the federal election and the Conservative breakthrough in the 416--but it can be argued that that was due largely to factors outside of Ford (especially given that Ford's supposed own Etobicoke North stayed Liberal, and his Etobicoke Centre home riding only went Con by a disputed recount). And a few months later, the Tories were provincially shut out again in the 416--something which was more popularly attributed to Ford-ian blundering; though even that's far from clear. Aside from that, there've been *no* elections or byelections where Ford-ism has been an open, palpable positive factor--or much of a factor at all. With such things as a mayoral byelection aborted or a Augimeri-Cusimano rematch aborted, all we've seen so far is smoke-and-mirrors bluster piggybacking off polling hypotheticals.

My feeling remains: behind the bluster, things aren't as robust as they may appear.

And in which case: if a provincial election comes sooner rather than later, watch Doug Ford; because unless we're looking at a Hudak landslide, Etobicoke North is no Tory drop-in-the-bucket, not at all. Heck, except at the south edge, it isn't even his father's successor riding; and even less so after the latest redistribution which took away the "Weston Wood panhandle" and placed it completely north of Dixon/401 (though the municipal Ward 2 boundaries still reflect the old disposition). And, again--it didn't even go *federally* Tory in 2011, and the provincial PCs later that year were basically jostling w/the NDP for a distant under-quarter-of-the-vote second. (And while it did go provincially Tory in the Harris years, it was never w/over 40%.)

Etobicoke North, in short, is not, given past record, what an epicentre of provincial PC fortunes in the 416 is made of--yet the way how Team Ford's framing it, it's the be-all and end-all, Ground Zero, etc etc. And yeah--sure, just maybe, after all, they laughed at Catherine Fife's chances in Kitchener-Waterloo where the NDP was a distand third fed-prov in 2011--though that was a byelection, that was different (as were the strategically-skewed circumstances behind the 2011 distant-thirds). But here's a bit of a sobering reminder: as a PC standard-bearer in Etobicoke North, Doug Ford could conceivably come in *third*. (Well, maybe not, since it's Doug Ford w/the Kouvalis magic behind him. But if it were a more generic Tory running, third place'd be absolutely on radar here.)
 
But isn't that an entirely Canadian thing to do - vote one wing of the spectrum for one level of government and vote the other end at another level, with the theory that each checks/balances the worst excesses of the other? Doesn't it happen fairly frequently?
 
But isn't that an entirely Canadian thing to do - vote one wing of the spectrum for one level of government and vote the other end at another level, with the theory that each checks/balances the worst excesses of the other? Doesn't it happen fairly frequently?

In fact it did happen with the Subway vs. LRT debate last year. We had a crazy administration who unilaterally canceled a transit plan under construction and Council stopped them from doing it. Perfect example of checks and balances working.
 
Does anyone have change for a button?

Mayor will ask Ford Nation to help pay his legal bills.

In the latest Forum Research poll, Ford had an 80% approval rating among people who make less then $20,000/year. He has a 32% approval among people who make over $100,000/year. Let's see if he can squeeze any money out of the working poor who so strongly support his millionaire family.
 
^^ The guy owns a company that has over 100 million in yearly sales and he can't afford to pay his own bills?

What's even crazier is that Ford has an 80% approval from the poor? (If what's written above is true) Why would that be the case? Ford doesn't give a crap about the poor, so why would they so strongly support him? In fact, he wanted to cut programs that help the poor and troubled neighbourhoods. It just makes no sense. Do people making under $20,000 even pay taxes? Why would they care about cutting property taxes, when they clearly can't afford to even buy a home? Wouldn't they more than likely be TTC riders and care more about building more transit, than about cars and tolls? Like I said, it just makes no sense. Is this city INSANE?
 
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The less education you have and the more desperate you become the more likely you are to look for 'simple' solutions.

I know a rather uneducated business owner who made a living out of selling food to people on King St. West and who voted for Ford hoping that he'd replace the streetcars there with subways. Even though he was not very wealthy at all and barely made ends meet, he bought the idea that governments should be run like businesses, etc. He resented people on welfare because he perceived himself as a hard worker and yet knew people who without working still managed a similar lifestyle to his. He figured if we had a dictator things would get done faster, etc. This is a white Nth generation Canadian.

There are thousands of people like this in the city, obviously. Especially out in the suburbs where the quality of life of the poor is absolutely appalling.
 
^^ The guy owns a company that has over 100 million in yearly sales and he can't afford to pay his own bills?

What's even crazier is that Ford has an 80% approval from the poor? (If what's written above is true) Why would that be the case? Ford doesn't give a crap about the poor, so why would they so strongly support him? In fact, he wanted to cut programs that help the poor and troubled neighbourhoods. It just makes no sense. Do people making under $20,000 even pay taxes? Why would they care about cutting property taxes, when they clearly can't afford to even buy a home? Wouldn't they more than likely be TTC riders and care more about building more transit, than about cars and tolls? Like I said, it just makes no sense. Is this city INSANE?

That poll is clearly flawed, I don't believe for a minute that he has an 80% approval rating among those who make less than $20K a year - and where are those in the $20-99K/year range? Ford has done walk-through's at TCHC buildings and speaks to residents about problems - often with media in tow, and he advocates for cleaning up the deplorable and unsafe conditions in many of these buildings but as usual has no financial plan to follow through with his rhetoric. Kind of like how a Toronto casino in his tiny mind will pay to rehabilitate the Gardiner and build subways.
 
Toronto Star: Rob Ford issues written defence of casino

Mayor Rob Ford has released an open letter calling a downtown casino resort a “golden opportunity” Toronto cannot pass up.

Ford's office released the letter to media outlets, including the Star, on the weekend rather than wait for City Manager Joe Pennachetti's major report on the casino opportunity expected to be released as early as this week ahead of votes by Ford's executive committee and then full council.

The 11-paragraph letter, which begins “Dear Friends”, states Ford has always said he would support a casino if it “produces thousands of good quality jobs and generate millions of dollars for important city services.

After reviewing all available information, consulting with my council colleagues and members of the public, I am confident Toronto faces a golden opportunity ...,” Ford said.

He notes that gambling is not new to Toronto, where 2,500 slot machines at Woodbine race track generates more than $600 million in revenue — without an increase in crime — and people buy lottery tickets, engage in off-track betting and more.

“The fact is, too many people in Toronto are unemployed,” Ford's letter states, noting Toronto's jobless rate is higher than the national average and neighbouring cities. Without citing a source, he pegs the difference at about 80,000 jobs.

Meanwhile, Religious leaders say no to Toronto casino (Toronto Sun)

An interfaith statement opposing a Hogtown casino and signed by more than 265 faith leaders was released Thursday at City Hall.

The statement bolsters the campaign by No Casino Toronto against a downtown gambling resort and sends a powerful message to councillors sitting on the fence over the issue.

“We represent diverse faith communities with unique perspectives, principles, sacred texts, traditions and teachings that form the basis of our opposition to expanded gambling,” the statement reads. “We are unified in our position that gambling is contrary to the ethical norms of our traditions because it negatively impacts our faith communities and the wider public.

“We are convinced that casinos contribute to family breakdown, depression, addiction, bankruptcies and crime, and thus are antithetical to our mission as faith traditions to strengthen individuals, families and communities.”
 
In fact it did happen with the Subway vs. LRT debate last year. We had a crazy administration who unilaterally (with a clear mandate) canceled a transit plan under construction and Council stopped them from doing it. Perfect example of checks and balances working.

I made a small revision to be more correct.
 
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