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Cooper said:
Or he could live for years. We don't have reliable information about his prognosis. Even if Rob's doctors have told him he's terminal, that doesn't mean death is imminent. There's no way to know right now. Maybe JGHali will correct me, but I think the big clue we'll get on Rob's outlook is whether or not the doctors book him for surgery in the coming months.
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I think you're right. Everything I've read said that surgery is the only option that will give him a decent chance of survival.
 
L23 said:
Yes. The big name cancer specialists at one of Canada's leading cancer hospitals wouldn't go along with his crap.
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The point of the argument is simple, who do you trust? Robbie no doubt has cancer but the question is when did he know? My guess is at least last summer and the reveal was strategically placed to make an excuse of why he quit the mayoral race.

Money can buy delays in info as well as subjective facts. "Lying" means nothing to Robbie, or to Dougie for that matter; Robbie is an attention whore, that's what I trust, of course you still can't forget the rule of irony.
 
JWBF said:
The point of the argument is simple, who do you trust? Robbie no doubt has cancer but the question is when did he know? My guess is at least last summer and the reveal was strategically placed to make an excuse of why he quit the mayoral race.

Money can buy delays in info as well as subjective facts. "Lying" means nothing to Robbie, or to Dougie for that matter; Robbie is an attention whore, that's what I trust, of course you still can't forget the rule of irony.
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I believe he knew, or at least there were very high suspicions, from around the time he 'broke his toe' and went for an MRI at... St. Joseph's? ... because the 'broken toe' disappeared immediately. IIRC that was early summer.
 
Riverdale Rink Rat said:
I believe he knew, or at least there were very high suspicions, from around the time he 'broke his toe' and went for an MRI at... St. Joseph's? ... because the 'broken toe' disappeared immediately. IIRC that was early summer.
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it was toronto western, mid-july, two weeks after returning from spa-hab, and two weeks before he and karen stintz raced to the top of a rope climb

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Uncle Teddy said:
Hard to believe he could fake any of this as some people are speculating.
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But this isn't exactly master manipulation we're talking about here. The thing that has struck me about every single one of the Fords' stupid little schemes and media whoring stunts is just how crass and sloppy and transparent they all were. It's not so much that they're cleverly getting away with murder as they're being allowed to get away with murder because no one in a position of real power or responsibility has been willing to stand up to them.
 
Uncle Teddy said:
Hard to believe he could fake any of this as some people are speculating.
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I have a hard time with the line he knew of his diagnosis earlier in the year. In my experience, once the doctors find a cancer, they want to get treatment going as soon as they can. Rob might have put off recommended tests, but I seriously doubt he said "I've got cancer? OK. Let's talk about this after the election."
 
He put off medical care for whatever was bothering him for several months, but probably didn't know about the cancer until he was hospitalized.

I am not sure why this is still being discussed though.
 
Cooper said:
Or he could live for years. We don't have reliable information about his prognosis. Even if Rob's doctors have told him he's terminal, that doesn't mean death is imminent. There's no way to know right now. Maybe JGHali will correct me, but I think the big clue we'll get on Rob's outlook is whether or not the doctors book him for surgery in the coming months.
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pattycakes said:
I think you're right. Everything I've read said that surgery is the only option that will give him a decent chance of survival.
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Yes, everything I read says that surgery *is* the treatment. It never seemed like a good sign that they didn't immediately operate, as you can find many examples of people with much larger tumours (up to 40 cm) having them removed immediately. My assumption all along has been that Ford's tumour is in a really terrible location (e.g., sitting on a major vein or artery). This was reinforced when it was reported (by a Ford mind you) that the tumour would have to shrink to 2 cm before they could operate.

I might revisit my prediction if Ford actually makes it to an operating room, but then again I might not. He still has to survive the surgery, avoid opportunistic infections, not have a stroke or heart attack, etc.
 
sweetlou said:
For those who've never seen it, here is MP Glenda Jackson and the fantastic speech she made at the Margaret Thatcher "tribute" session of the UK House of Parliament. Maggie was despised by many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm1gHp9ImyU
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A few people here have expressed wishes for Rob to leave this world sooner rather than later, but when he does, I doubt it will generate the sort of jubilation that the news of Margaret Thatcher's death did. Those who endured the miners' strike decades ago were especially pleased, one even made a joke that “Thatcher has only been in hell for 20 minutes, and she has already shut down 20 furnaces.†I don't know how we got onto Margaret Thatcher, but Rob certainly didn't generate the level of sheer hatred that Thatcher did. He sneered at the law and got away with many things, and was completely unfit for the job ("he's in way over his head" could be used), but didn't rise to a national level to have the same impact that Thatcher did. I'm sure there are people who despise him as much as some despised Thatcher, but most people seem to have moved on and will soon forget about him if they haven't already.
 
Even CP2Ford isn't trying to run a daily Ford story now. They are saying actual nice things about Tory.
 
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AlbertHWagstaff said:
A few people here have expressed wishes for Rob to leave this world sooner rather than later, but when he does, I doubt it will generate the sort of jubilation that the news of Margaret Thatcher's death did. Those who endured the miners' strike decades ago were especially pleased, one even made a joke that “Thatcher has only been in hell for 20 minutes, and she has already shut down 20 furnaces.” I don't know how we got onto Margaret Thatcher, but Rob certainly didn't generate the level of sheer hatred that Thatcher did. He sneered at the law and got away with many things, and was completely unfit for the job ("he's in way over his head" could be used), but didn't rise to a national level to have the same impact that Thatcher did. I'm sure there are people who despise him as much as some despised Thatcher, but most people seem to have moved on and will soon forget about him if they haven't already.
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And yet Thatcher, ultimately, changed the UK for the better. Sure, there was some bitter medicine. But do we really think coal was the future of the UK? Or that we'd want the unions to go the same way in the UK that they did in France?

What about the top income tax rate of 83% (on income - it was even higher on investments, reaching 98%!). Was Thatcher wrong to drop this to 40% on both income and investments. Apparently not, given it's actually gone down since.

Those who dance on her grave, forget just how bad things were in the UK in the 1970s!
 
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