ryguy7787
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5 years, more than enough time for another mayoral run!
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Rob Ford's Toronto
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5 years, more than enough time for another mayoral run!
Cooper
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The first chart isn't optimistic either, IMO. Just less pessimistic. Also, I'm not sure the second chart applies. Retro-peritonital would be the around the kidneys instead of in the abdomen, no? Too bad Rob is our only source of info these days. He's not so good with the accuracy.
NYCBoy2305
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Racquette
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Actually, I've found my l'il corner of America to be on a par - or actually more educated/active, politically - than, say...Toronto ;D Partisan politics aside (comic is clever but similar ones can and have been done when the Dems win, of course. Indies like me inevitably chuckle - and shiver - at both), the biggest thing that makes the election of dead people or candidates who have withdrawn (the GOP candidate for State Senate in our District withdrew but came within 4% of winning, in this election) happen is the ability to vote a straight 'party ticket' with one tick-box. If they didn't die or withdraw prior to the deadline...they just got voted for, along with all the others running in your electoral district for your party of choice. Add in the truly uneducated voters who just know or like the name, and ones who vote for the dead guy as a protest, and yep, can happen.
Problem is...without the ability to vote a straight party-ticket, even fewer would bother to vote. Even longer wait-times and loooooong ballot forms to complete, inevitably have that result. And voter turn-out isn't great now. So, no one wants to take the slate-vote ability away.
A final thought regarding the election here, and voter turnout - it wasn't entirely the American people having spoken. Big factor was the American people who didn't bother. Overall voter turnout was lousy, but was at least 10% higher in every district tracked by various news agencies, that historically trended Republican (and went GOP again this time in almost every case) as well as some of the big Dem 'unseating' districts. Who can get the vote out, is key. Too many are willing to let other American people speak for them.
Same everywhere though, I think, by all reports. That and voters who let everyone else think for them, too. *sigh*
Cooper
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Thanks. This all still behind the abdomen, though. Have I got that part right?
Racquette
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Wikipedia puts it 'in the abdominal cavity', fwiw: "retroperitoneal space
The retroperitoneal space (retroperitoneum) is the anatomical space (sometimes a potential space) in the abdominal cavity behind (retro) the peritoneum. It has no specific delineating anatomical structures. Organs are retroperitoneal if they have peritoneum on their anterior side only."
( Looking into these tems, I feel as though I'm 'not in Kansas anymore, Toto..'. Thoroughly confused and amazed - haven't heard of any of these terms before, except the organs and circulatory systems involved here! Fascinating, in a very "oh, yikes!" kind of way. Especially for Rob, from the sound of it.)
ETA: meant to put in the link. Not sure Wikipedia is the ideal place to get this info, but sounds as though they're directly quoting sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroperitoneal_space
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kaboi
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This is really helpful - it helps illustrate the kind of 'obstacles' I imagine the surgeons are facing. From my reading on this type of cancer, retroperitoneal tumours are more likely to be non-resectable and are harder to get clean margins on because of the presence of so many key veins, arteries and of course, organs. Lots of people who have had "successful" surgery have had multiple organs cut up or removed entirely. Very scary stuff.
Given this, I have assumed the reason Ford started with chemo and not surgery is because it's a retroperitoneal tumour.
casita
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Most educational thread ever!
NYCBoy2305
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Would make sense. If it was just in the big belly section, it could come out, but what do I know, I do health policy, not surgery.
pattycakes
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I was just thinking that! Everything from soup to nuts in this thread.
dforthandbview
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So that's where the devil's been hiding...
cgwalnut
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yeah, I believe last year he got a stern lecturing from a WW2 vet about why he shouldn't be there.
AlvinofDiaspar
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I think he desperately want to align himself the event because that's his bread and butter of his image (stand up for democracy, bravery, don't back down, etc, etc). Except that his own failure is a huge drag on what the event is really about. Again, it's all about him - screw the real point of Remembrance Day, it's about what I want to say about it.
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the lemur
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Yep, the vet who refused to shake his hand because he was 'a druggie'.
I really hope that now both Rob and Doug are out of the mayoral office and actually have more time to be out and about among the 'common folk' (ironic, considering Rob's self-image as 'the people's mayor' and all those 'constituent visits') we'll be seeing more and more citizens approaching them in public to tell them to their faces how full of crap they are.
Cooper
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Thanks for the post, Racquette. It clears up questions for me. I had been thinking the retroperitoneal area was not part of the abdomen. Apparently not.
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