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Roads: Six Points Interchange Reconfiguration (City of Toronto, UC)

Towered said:
I think, but don't quote me on this, council provided funding for this in this year's budget.
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Anybody know if this is correct? I hadn't heard this before.

BTW, those of you who want to discuss the relative merits of Scarbrough and Mississauga should start a new thread.

Also BTW, the roundabout was ruled out at the very beginning of this very lengthy process. Go back to the beginning of this thread for more info.
 
Looking through the 2009-2018 Capital Program for Transportation Services, I found that the Six Points interchange is forecast to be spent on it: $1,449K in 2015, $1,578K in 2016, $2,000K in 2017, and $1,205K in 2018. So work on it will not start until 2015.
Four years of work is a lot of work... and a lot of money as well.
 
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The more I think about this project, the more I think that it is a misdirected waste of money meant for a perceived social gain that will probably never materialize. The current interchange, as it is, works perfectly. A complex, at grade intersection will likely be a massive traffic (and bus) bottleneck while not being any less of a deterrent to pedestrians.

And, speaking about pedestrians, the fix is already in for this neighbourhood. I don't see how this will further "urbanize" the area west of Kipling because that area is already psychologically associated with low density, strip commercial development and suburban bungalow development with residents who are extremely on guard about encroaching development of any kind.

But, hey, if the city is hellbent on encouraging walkability in the area, they could build a pedestrian overpass over the current interchange for a fraction of the cost.
 
Clearly the poster is using M as thousand, not million; that seems pretty clear from the context. You know the old system ... X - 10, C = 100, M = 1000
 
jks said:
^^Those are roman numerals, not the "old" system.
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Well course they are Roman numerals! And given that it's 1000s of years old, compared to the more recent k, m, and M which are related to the newer metric system, which doest not go back 1000s of years ... then I don't see why one would object to calling it an "old" system!
 
WTF is the matter with this city? The EA for this was completed in 2007 and approved by council in January 2008. Why the hell won't work even begin for another 6 years??? All they have to do is remove the series of ramps, which are not impeded by surrounding structures and build a couple of new at grade roads. This is driving me crazy.
 
Hipster Duck said:
The more I think about this project, the more I think that it is a misdirected waste of money meant for a perceived social gain that will probably never materialize. The current interchange, as it is, works perfectly. A complex, at grade intersection will likely be a massive traffic (and bus) bottleneck while not being any less of a deterrent to pedestrians.
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Are you kidding? Bloor St. is terrible at this intersection and will benefit greatly from the redesign. It allows Bloor St. to continue as the arterial road it should be, and I think it will be great for walkability to the subway at Kipling, especially with the new east exit proposed for the station.
 
^What do you mean by "the arterial road it should be"? Bloor street is a subarterial that effectively ends at Kipling right now. It does its job. And what walkability do we aspire to? Not every corner of this city has to simulate some sort of pedestrian-friendly pre-war urban fabric. The area right now is sandwiched between a large rail corridor and some fifties bungalows with the biggest NIMBYs in the world. Do you think that that's the kind of place that we can initiate some sort of Neo-Copenhagen?
 
I think this "interchange" is confusing even for drivers. I mean one second you're on Bloor, the next you're on Dundas in the blink of an eye. In my opinion, roads should go straight. In the case of Kipling, Dundas and Bloor all converging on one point, this was impossible. The EA determined it best to have Kipling and Bloor intersect like normal, and Dundas would curve a bit. It's much better than the ridiculous configuration there now which is autocentric but still confusing. It'll free up land and make the area more amenable to redevelopment.
 
Towered said:
WTF is the matter with this city? The EA for this was completed in 2007 and approved by council in January 2008. Why the hell won't work even begin for another 6 years??? All they have to do is remove the series of ramps, which are not impeded by surrounding structures and build a couple of new at grade roads. This is driving me crazy.
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Is anyone here surprised by this? I'm not since this is Toronto after all.
 
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