I hear what you're saying. I think there's a hope that building a linear park under the Gardiner will have the feel of the High Line in NYC, the transformation of an old piece of urban transportation infrastructure into a vital, well-programmed public space in the core. I think there are interesting elements to the Loblaws development and that existing condo that uses the Gardiner as a canopy for the entrance. I also frankly enjoy the drive through the forest of steel and glass condos. For the driver it's an exhilarating urban experience. Maybe with some really unique programming that takes advantage of the context, this plan could be something special. I think wherever possible, if the elevated Gardiner must remain intact west of Jarvis, there should be development underneath it, so that it disappears to pedestrians' sightlines. Where the strips are too narrow or other considerations prevent development, a linear park, market stalls, skate parks, ice rinks -- you name it -- are probably our next best option. The problem is that long swaths of the Gardiner are above Lakeshore Blvd. The combination of the elevated expressway with its pillars and ramps, and the wide arterial road of Lakeshore that you describe, make the experience of walking or cycling to the lake distinctly post-apocalyptic. Believe me, I love the urban park experience. Bring on the graffiti walls, planters, murals. I'm just not sure that at the end of it all we're going to feel satisfied. I think we're kicking the can of removing or burying the Gardiner down the road. Maybe that's the best we can do right now.