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In 50 years time it won't have quite the same meaning, and won't elicit the same reaction. The meaning has already changed over time. Even the black in-group use of the term is relatively new, it would have been unheard of mere decades ago. Nigger, in a non-pejorative slang sense, is already used outside of the black in-group.

And anyway, I can already greet my close black friends with "Wassup Nigga?!" Why wait 50 years?

A fate suffered by all the continents at one time.

:eek: You're just mocking me now aren't you?!! Careful your 'close black friends' don't sock you in the nose for being so disrespectful and insensitive. This whole decrying for being called a cracker/white trash is effectively nullified by your 'who gives a shit that I called a nigger a nigger' attitude. We can either address fellow human beings as such (one raceless humanity), or else self-censor our ignorance before opening our mouths!
 
Alright, I get it, it all makes sense now, you're the perfect person, so right, so wrong :rolleyes:!

The N-word already has several denotations. For the black in-group it's a term of salutation, endearment. However it can just as readily be used as a insult, by that very community. For outsiders though it conjures a different connotation. If you think in 50 years time it'll be any less a social faux pas or taboo to greet your black friend with: "Wassup n*gga?!", reassess your cultural sensitivity.

In 50 years time it won't have quite the same meaning, and won't elicit the same reaction. The meaning has already changed over time. Even the black in-group use of the term is relatively new, it would have been unheard of mere decades ago. Nigger, in a non-pejorative slang sense, is already used outside of the black in-group.

And anyway, I can already greet my close black friends with "Wassup Nigga?!" Why wait 50 years?

If Africa itself could be personified, she'd have been raped, beaten, maimed and murdered several infinite times over by now.

A fate suffered by all the continents at one time. She's in good company.
 
Careful your 'close black friends' don't sock you in the nose for being so disrespectful and insensitive.

Why? Are black people inherently violent?

You're just mocking me now aren't you?!!

You tend to cry this river a lot. It seems as though you're very comfortable making racist comments, but when you perceive someone else making a racist remark, you start crying.
You need to learn how to live with others and play nice....your playground antics don't further your case in any way.
 
:eek: You're just mocking me now aren't you?!! Careful your 'close black friends' don't sock you in the nose for being so disrespectful and insensitive. This whole decrying for being called a cracker/white trash is effectively nullified by your 'who gives a shit that I called a nigger a nigger' attitude. We can either address fellow human beings as such (one raceless humanity), or else self-censor our ignorance before opening our mouths!


Nope, I'm not mocking you. Nor am I being disrespectful or insensitive to my "close black friends" when I use nigger. There's a time, place, and context for everything. This has nothing to do with the original post, but everything to do with the erroneous belief that words have finite meanings.

The idea of "one raceless humanity" sounds like a dull place. I like races, I like cultures, I like differences. The world needs all kinds!
 
Why? Are black people inherently violent?

http://intl-das.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/17/2/205.pdf

It appears, we wouldn't be the first set of people to be labelled "belligerent primitives" if it worked in the favor of the white majority's self-interest :rolleyes:.

You tend to cry this river a lot. It seems as though you're very comfortable making racist comments, but when you perceive someone else making a racist remark, you start crying. You need to learn how to live with others and play nice....your playground antics don't further your case in any way.

I have every right to be upset. We're not even bleeping out the N-word anymore here, just spelling it out in defiance of the black poster's statements.

This has nothing to do with the original post, but everything to do with the erroneous belief that words have finite meanings. The idea of "one raceless humanity" sounds like a dull place. I like races, I like cultures, I like differences. The world needs all kinds!

What is wrong with you people? When I endorse black-focused schools you claim I'm racist because somehow you misconstrue it as a blacks-only instituition. Now I play along and say alright, if there's no anthropological difference between blacks and anyone else, limit your name-calling barbs to insults on someone's character NOT thier race, gender, sexuality, faith, age or disability. However now that engenders the same blandness I was running from in the first place when opponents of diversified schools want all people of all backgrounds to assimilate into carbon-copy Canadroids? We've really come at an impass, full circle to nowhere :rolleyes:!
 
I in no way blamed an entire race for all the misfortunes of black people.


In fact, you do. You only back away from this when confronted with your own contradictions, that by stereotyping white people you are perpetrating the exact same injustice you speak of with regards to black people. Invoking distorted perceptions of 'history' or cherry-picking instances of alleged racism or personal anecdotes of same is merely pure justification on your part, 'smoke and mirrors' if you will, for what you know to be a hollow position.


I don't allow people's perceptions of me dictate the quality of life I choose to lead. However if after all of that I'm still racially profiled, proving to me personally that the system is flawed then I feel I have the right to vocalize those sentiments.

On the one hand you are right to not let others, whether racist whites or judgemental blacks, influence your sense of self. Period. This is to embrace your empowerment and to deny your victimization. Bravo!! On the other hand, to conflate personal individual experiences of racism or personal individual encounters with 'jerks' to a condemnation of the entire 'system' or an entire race of people is where your self-affirming stance turns back on itself, and you retreat to the safe and convenient position of 'victim'. This is not to deny that racism - or homophobia, misogyny, sexism, xenophobia etc. - exists. It does, and always will, to one degree or another. But one cannot deny that an overarching trajectory towards a just, more tolerant and more enlightened society exists too, no matter how flawed, no matter how halting or slow, and no matter how under siege it may seem at times. This is the bigger picture, and there are people of all colours, races, genders etc that believe in it.


What makes you think by white people I meant every Caucasian that ever lived? Or black person that ever lived? It's undeniable that it was white oppressors that abused African descents for centuries now, undeniable. Not every white, but definitely several individuals and groups of that race. Whatever techniques white politicians and clergymen used to justify slavery/segregation in their minds and in their congregations minds, those are the techniques that worked, coerced and normalized the white master/superior-black slave/servant/inferior binary. People may ask for shades of grey over bifurcations but seriously this is a message board, not a venue for a 3000 word analytical, monographic essay

Negative generalizations are never helpful or insiteful, and you have been saying as much yourself throughout your posts here: we can outright condemn those blacks who traded slaves, or objectively we can look a little deeper at the forces or motivations that caused them to do so in the first place... You yourself have also made a strong case for the power and force of language and 'words', that the ones we choose are deliberate and can sting or hurt, or debase or vilify. Applying labels on people without being specific is equally misleading or destructive.


Shows how little you know. I'm presently enrolled in a Modern European History class so you can't say I'm making this up. Most Depression-era Germans (from the working class, military to the aristocracy) elected the National Socialists (Nazis) in droves and fully embarassed Hitler's victory over von Hindenburg by enacting the largest torchlight parade spectacle in recorded history. Politicians and dignitaries from around Europe also hailed praises of the uniformed, equalizing German society Hitler was creating. Sure modern-day Germans can't be blamed for Nazism but you sure won't catch me in Berlin anytime soon.

Once again, in the same way that a little more digging can reveal more insight into the motivations of blacks who dealt in the slave trade, a more in depth picture will help to understand the rise to power of the Nazis, one that would include an understanding of the socio-historic context, i.e. the impoverished economy, the desperation and humiliation of the people (post WWI), the use of propoganda and the luring promise of prosperity. It is safe to say that very few who voted 'Nazi' were actually opting for the platform/agenda that history would come to reveal later, and that when people began to understand the truth of what was happening it was too late. Power had been lost and the machine was in motion.

But back to the larger picture of black oppression. It all stems back to slavery and event thing since is derivitive of the common shared knowledge people have in the back of their minds. Such that if a black man pisses you off you can think to yourself: "Why the fuck am I allowing this 'nigger' to act/speak to me this way? Let me vocalize the disparaging term to mentally incapacitate him!" Like I said several posts ago, if you're that immature that you have to resort to name-calling, why bring race into it? What message are you disseminating by refering to someone as a 'nigger'? This is why the security guard and Micheal Richards were mean-spirited, because at the end of the day a poorer blue-collar white guard or a has-been washed up comedian is still of the master, conqueror race and their victims weren't :mad:!

... or is it simply a matter of specific individual 'aholes' who are lashing out in order to hurt? There is no oppression in name-calling that you yourself don't confer! Don't give those jerks more 'power' than they deserve! What they did was inappropriate, but all they achieved was to make themselves look ridiculous in the eyes of the majority of society. If they made you feel bad about yourself, or oppressed, than they have achieved something else, but that's up to you...

As for the oppression of blacks in *Canada*, I'm simply not buying it. You have to be careful to not mix up the history of the USA or other countries with that of Canada, or Canada's mother countries. Although slavery existed in the early Canadian 'colonies' it was never very popular or widespread as there was little economic basis for it. With the Age of Enlightenment dawning in Europe, giving rise to the French Revolution and the Declaration of the Rights of Man etc. an emerging awareness of 'civil' rights was growing, keeping in mind that in feudal Europe most 'whites' were slaves or 'serfs' too, and the concept of individual freedom was little known or practiced. By 1793, Simcoe had abolished slavery outright in the Canadian colony, and since then Canada as a nation has never observed any official policy of segregation towards Blacks. Once again, I'm not denying that racism doesn't exist, but racism, however unjust or inappropriate, is not the same thing as oppression, per se.


That's true but I'm a pessimist by nature so it's easier for me to spot the flaws of society more so than the positives ;)!

Well, that's honest. But there is a lot to be positive about!! If you check out www.blackhistorycanada.ca you will see for yourself :)
 
It appears, we wouldn't be the first set of people to be labelled "belligerent primitives" if it worked in the favor of the white majority's self-interest

It appaears as though you're incapable of answering the question.

I have every right to be upset. We're not even bleeping out the N-word anymore here, just spelling it out in defiance of the black poster's statements.

It's called freedom of speach, look into it. Also, notice how none of the attacks you've posted on others have been censored...you get a pass, others don't...and that's still not good enough for you?

What is wrong with you people?

What's wrong with you? Does your racist agenda blind you?
 
But back to the larger picture of black oppression.

DO you include the opression of black homosexuals in Jamaica, opressed and murdered by other blacks...or do they get a pass as well?
 
http://intl-das.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/17/2/205.pdf

It appears, we wouldn't be the first set of people to be labelled "belligerent primitives" if it worked in the favor of the white majority's self-interest :rolleyes:.



I have every right to be upset. We're not even bleeping out the N-word anymore here, just spelling it out in defiance of the black poster's statements.



What is wrong with you people? When I endorse black-focused schools you claim I'm racist because somehow you misconstrue it as a blacks-only instituition. Now I play along and say alright, if there's no anthropological difference between blacks and anyone else, limit your name-calling barbs to insults on someone's character NOT thier race, gender, sexuality, faith, age or disability. However now that engenders the same blandness I was running from in the first place when opponents of diversified schools want all people of all backgrounds to assimilate into carbon-copy Canadroids? We've really come at an impass, full circle to nowhere :rolleyes:!


Right, what part of the real world do you live? In what part of the world do people don't think with any emotion at all? People are jerks because they are individuals.

You have a problem with poeple spelling "nigger"? You can't comfront reality and try to pretty it up? What was the saying? "Better to have blatent verbal jabs than to have the feelings boil underneath instead"? I've been called "chink", "chinaman", "slant eyes" by blacks. I've been called "bro", "buddy", "pal", "guy" by them too.

Guess what? I'm not going to bleep out "chink", "chinaman" or "slant eyes" because I'm insulted by someone. Not all blacks mean racist words even if they do say them. I don't have to fly off the handle and accuse them of racism when it's just a fact that they are pissed at me. As I've said before, if the black community is so inherent on racism then they should be held to higher accountability in not promoting it, yet I'm realistic enough to know that is not going to happen.

If your so afraid of comfronting the "nigger" word then your not anywhere near tough enough to comfront real racism. Try being beat-up by 10+ people while being called racist words. Guess what, I was as a kid. Ganged up and beaten by a bunch of "frikken white 'sauga hicks" back in the early 80's. yet I'm not sore or saying that society failed me, I don't blame whitey because my best friends are also white (and black and asian).

I find it hilarious that you throw around the word "racism" without even realizing what it really is. You call just plain name-calling racism. This incident has little or nothing to do with racism at all and everything to do with two people who are being jerks to each other and using verbal fights rather than fisticuffs.
 
Sooner or later you have to get over this whole oppression thing. You can either continue to dwell on the past and hang it over a bunch of people who never had anything to do with it and try to make the "victimization" your own or you can move forward with what has already been accomplished and running with it.

What do you think placing blame on people who never had anything to do with the enslavement of blacks is more likely to do?

*Hint - Guilt trips don't work and are more likey to cause the opposite than intended effects.
 
Fine guys, you win! A black guy obviously isn't intellectually equipped or emotionally fortified enough to debate these type of conversations with you all :rolleyes:. Everything I say gets misinterpreted anyway, so why bother?
 
A black guy obviously isn't intellectually equipped or emotionally fortified enough to debate these type of conversations with you all

and now you insult an entire race, because of your own shortcomings. That's extremely bigoted of you .

Everything I say gets misinterpreted anyway, so why bother?

Maybe you should express yourself a little better, you're the king of misinterpreteation, deflection and ignorance.
 
In fact, you do. You only back away from this when confronted with your own contradictions, that by stereotyping white people you are perpetrating the exact same injustice you speak of with regards to black people. Invoking distorted perceptions of 'history' or cherry-picking instances of alleged racism or personal anecdotes of same is merely pure justification on your part, 'smoke and mirrors' if you will, for what you know to be a hollow position.

My position may be hollow but no less the truth. A vast majority of white persons can be race-tolerant but if one, just one calls you a nigger in hateful connotation- the incident can and does change your opinion of strangers, unfamiliars in general and makes you question whether they carry racsim in their hearts. I took a very risky platform arguing against racism by using stereotypes of the non-black population. It might have been offensive but it got dialogue rolling and made me discover average citizen perceptions on race I otherwise might not have, since face-to-face it's difficult to bring up these issues. I meant no harm by my statements beyond wanting to protect others like myself from experiencing verbal assault or worse.

On the one hand you are right to not let others, whether racist whites or judgemental blacks, influence your sense of self. Period. This is to embrace your empowerment and to deny your victimization. Bravo!!

Thanks for being the first individual on here to acknowledge the great, painstaking courage it took for me to expose myself to all this hatred, and more or less lead an existence of conflicting identities and loyalties.

On the other hand, to conflate personal individual experiences of racism or personal individual encounters with 'jerks' to a condemnation of the entire 'system' or an entire race of people is where your self-affirming stance turns back on itself, and you retreat to the safe and convenient position of 'victim'. This is not to deny that racism - or homophobia, misogyny, sexism, xenophobia etc. - exists. It does, and always will, to one degree or another. But one cannot deny that an overarching trajectory towards a just, more tolerant and more enlightened society exists too, no matter how flawed, no matter how halting or slow, and no matter how under siege it may seem at times. This is the bigger picture, and there are people of all colours, races, genders etc that believe in it.

This is the society I'm striving to create. Call my statements 'white guilt' if you will but someone must be held accountable for the atrocities that trickle down into even today's contemporary society. My criticisms seriously don't affect any of your lives, you'll all go back to your positions of status and the like. I don't want to see blacks protrayed as the 'enemy from within' anyone, the usual suspects when a crime's commited, etc. For more black youth to graduate, first high school through university and then Masters. That my friend, isn't war-mongery, it's a by-any-means-necessary plea for recognition.

Negative generalizations are never helpful or insiteful, and you have been saying as much yourself throughout your posts here: we can outright condemn those blacks who traded slaves, or objectively we can look a little deeper at the forces or motivations that caused them to do so in the first place... You yourself have also made a strong case for the power and force of language and 'words', that the ones we choose are deliberate and can sting or hurt, or debase or vilify. Applying labels on people without being specific is equally misleading or destructive.

Well again, there's only so much time I can devote to proper research and analysis of the long, sordid history of black/white relations and the probable deviations from what I was formally taught in school. I'm not skimping through selective history, I'm being candid and straight to the point.

About Nazism, it went far beyond merely the unemployment issues surrounding the Great Depression.

... or is it simply a matter of specific individual 'aholes' who are lashing out in order to hurt? There is no oppression in name-calling that you yourself don't confer! Don't give those jerks more 'power' than they deserve! What they did was inappropriate, but all they achieved was to make themselves look ridiculous in the eyes of the majority of society. If they made you feel bad about yourself, or oppressed, than they have achieved something else, but that's up to you...

The first time a white person called me a 'nigger' it was on a crowded TTC bus. I was just seating there and this woman just walked by and hissed 'fucking nigger!'. No one said one shit in my defense. Neither could I in my demoralized shame and depression. I was 17 years old. Welcome to my life :rolleyes:!

As for the oppression of blacks in *Canada*, I'm simply not buying it. You have to be careful to not mix up the history of the USA or other countries with that of Canada, or Canada's mother countries.

I have been overlapping the well documented and fact-checked history of abuse inflicted upon African-Americans with the personal anecdotes of myself and my other black associates. However don't forgot the condition of black settlements in B.C. and Halifax, in which living conditions were worse than those of even the aboriginals at one point.

Well, that's honest. But there is a lot to be positive about!! If you check out www.blackhistorycanada.ca you will see for yourself :)

Again, quite true but I'm cautious nonetheless.
 
Are you sure you're "intellectually equipped or emotionally fortified enough to debate these type of conversations with" us?
 
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