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I hope he succeeds. I don't see how it can be constitutionally acceptable to limit communication and commerce around a certain activity which is perfectly legal.

What strikes me as particularly weird is that it's illegal to communicate for the purpose of selling sex but its legal to communicate for the purpose of selling drugs (drug dealing is only illegal when you actually transfer the goods). That kind of inconsistency has to go.
 
I've always wondered why street-walkers are so seemingly rare in Toronto? Infact I can't recall visiting any city of this size, or even over a million people where street prostitution was less evident to the casual observer.
 
Maybe because the ubiquity of Now/Eye (and more recently Craigslist, et al) makes it redundant? Perhaps Toronto has the healthiest non-street prostitution scene imaginable...
 
Maybe because the ubiquity of Now/Eye (and more recently Craigslist, et al) makes it redundant? Perhaps Toronto has the healthiest non-street prostitution scene imaginable...


I wonder if this is the better way to go?
 
i would like to add....

just because some things are "not ever going away" does not mean we should support it. there are a lot of things that will never go away, including other crimes, but that does not mean we should embrace it by any means.

but comparing to porn does bring up an interesting point...

maybe porn should be banned? :D
 
i would like to add....

just because some things are "not ever going away" does not mean we should support it. there are a lot of things that will never go away, including other crimes, but that does not mean we should embrace it by any means.

i agree it's not really a great argument.

but neither is this one:


"prostitution should be banned because people are forced into sex slavery."

people are enslaved to do physical labor. should working labor jobs be made illegal?

that's just one example; the argument from slavery. then there's the argument from health/safety, argument from social/cultural views, etc. which are comparable to other sectors in the workforce. there are certain jobs that are extremely dangerous and jobs that are not deemed respectable by alot of people in society.

it's all a matter of personal choice. if someone wants to have sex and make money at it of their own free will, that's their business.

there are some complicated matters to think of though. imagine you go down to the unemployment or welfare office, you get denied support and are told "you have genitals, use them". people will be screaming out the window at homeless people "you bum! get a job using your bum you dirty bum!" :eek:
 
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Hurray!

Court tells religious groups to scram

SEX LAWS / Challenge to prostitution laws moves forward

Michael Pihach / National / Monday, July 13, 2009

Two religious groups and a conservative women's group wishing to intervene in a constitutional challenge to Canada's prostitution laws have been told to beat it by an Ontario judge.

The Christian Legal Fellowship, REAL Women of Canada and the Catholic Civil Rights League applied to intervene in the challenge, which was launched by the Sex Professionals of Canada (SPOC), an advocacy group that works toward the decriminalization of sex work.

Justice Ted Matlow of the Ontario Superior Court said the participation of the conservative groups would turn the challenge into a platform for religious views and would disrupt and prolong the proceedings.

The challenge "does not provide a political platform where interested persons are permitted to speak in order to advance their personal views, beliefs, policies and interests at large," said Matlow on Jul 2.

Matlow also sent a clear message that religious morality groups don't have a "special relationship" with the courts that allows them to make arguments that "would reflect the views of only small segments of Canadian society."

Alan Young, SPOC's lawyer, is pleased with Matlow's decision.

"It's insulting and demeaning for a group to find a reason to argue about the moral value of a prostitute," says Young.

Young says Canada's prostitution laws are "irrational" and increase the level of harm to which sex workers are exposed. Whether or not one thinks a certain occupation is immoral is irrelevant, says Young. "People still are protected by the secular state."

The challenge is being made by activists Terri Jean Bedford, Valerie Scott and Amy Lebovitch. They argue that Canada's prostitution laws are to blame for a high number of robberies, beatings, rapes and murders of sex workers.

"The law does the opposite to protect us," says Scott.

Under the Criminal Code of Canada anyone can be arrested for living on the avails of prostitution.

"That makes it illegal for me to send my mother or father a birthday present," says Scott.

The same law also makes it illegal for sex workers to rent apartments, have roommates or refer clients.

Canada's bawdyhouse law is another weird one. It makes it illegal to flip tricks indoors, which is one reason why many prostitutes take their trade to the streets, says Scott. It's also illegal to communicate for the purposes of prostitution. That part of the law, says Scott, acts as a disincentive for sex workers who are victimized to call the police.

The efforts of the Toronto Police Service's Sex Crimes Unit, which investigates sexual offences against sex workers, is not enough to protect sex workers, says Scott.

"The way the laws are set up makes it extremely hard to work in safe conditions," she says.

Scott is pleased the conservative groups have been cut from SPOC's challenge.

"These people are not directly affected, no matter how many moral issues they bring up," says Scott. "This [case] isn't about religion. It's about safety. We want to be able to work properly."

Ruth Ross of the Catholic Civil Rights League, one of the three groups that applied to intervene with SPOC's case, is disappointed with Matlow's decision.

"There seems to be a mentality that people with moral issues shouldn't be speaking to the issue," she says. "It's an infringement on free speech."

Ross believes SPOC's case should address morality and that the prostitution laws should stay as they are.

"While no law will ever be perfect, what we have now provides a legal avenue for providing help to prostitutes, especially those not in the business of their free will," says Ross.

Ross says the Catholic Civil Rights League is in favour of all people and personal freedom but later added that the group does not support sex work. During Canada's same-sex marriage debate, the league actively argued that gay marriage infringes upon freedom of religion.

This is the first time the league has weighed in on Canada's prostitution laws, says Ross. She says the league's lawyers are considering an appeal to Matlow's ruling.

Meanwhile SPOC will spend the summer prepping for its case.

Scott expects a decision by March 2010.

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there are some complicated matters to think of though. imagine you go down to the unemployment or welfare office, you get denied support and are told "you have genitals, use them". people will be screaming out the window at homeless people "you bum! get a job using your bum you dirty bum!" :eek:
Hmmm... I don't think I've ever heard that one in North America. Do people actually say that in say Las Vegas?
 
Hmmm... I don't think I've ever heard that one in North America. Do people actually say that in say Las Vegas?

prostitution is illegal in las vegas...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada


of course, for EI or welfare offices to say such a line, prostitution would not only have to be totally legal, it would have to be treated as just like any other ordinary job and i don't think that would happen for a very long time. for example, being a porno actor/actress is totally legal yet you don't see government run employment agencies pushing it as a career path for anyone.

p.s, it will be pretty funny when the day comes when you can claim sexual intercourse as a business expense.
 
I've always wondered why street-walkers are so seemingly rare in Toronto? Infact I can't recall visiting any city of this size, or even over a million people where street prostitution was less evident to the casual observer.

The ones who do ply their trade the old fashioned way are a plucky bunch, though. The two chirpy working class crones of indeterminate age I came across at 7 a.m. last Sunday on Queen Street as I headed south to the antique market were of good cheer despite the stench of rotting garbage wafting across the street from Moss Park. Their endearingly good humour in the face of such adversity rather enhanced the pleasure of our hurried intercourse.
 
The ones who do ply their trade the old fashioned way are a plucky bunch, though. The two chirpy working class crones of indeterminate age I came across at 7 a.m. last Sunday on Queen Street as I headed south to the antique market were of good cheer despite the stench of rotting garbage wafting across the street from Moss Park. Their endearingly good humour in the face of such adversity rather enhanced the pleasure of our hurried intercourse.
Interesting choice of words...
 

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