Premier Doug Ford's Ontario

[Monarch Butterfly]

I suspect most of this will fall on the property owners but, you're right, the cost could be reflected in the rent.

Dropping a couple of concrete barriers ('Jersey barriers'/'K-rails') won't be all that expensive if they are allowed.

The cost to install bollards typically ranges from $200 to $600 per fixed bollard, with additional labour costs. For example, installing ten bollards could total around $8,000, including materials and labour. Money that could have been spent on heating or cooling the place.

 

[narduch]

Bollards are basically an example of the red tape Conservatives often whine about

 

[goreckm]

There is a difference in ticketing people for going 45 in a 40 vs 90 in a 40.

Sure there is. The first never happened, and the second most certainly did.

 

[afransen]

Sure there is. The first never happened, and the second most certainly did.

Do you have evidence to prove this?

As reported in the Star, someone was ticketed for 7 kph over.

Are speed cameras ticketing drivers for less than 10 km/h over the posted limit? Here’s what the city said — now we want to hear from you

It appears that many drivers in Toronto are being ticketed for speeds that wouldn’t get them a ticket from police radar enforcement.

www.thestar.com

 

[afransen]

I'm curious as to why this is such a hard concept for so many to grasp.

If there's a sign saying "no trespassing; trespassers will be prosecuted" at the edge of a property, you may have the right to venture right up to that edge, but you 're not entitled to dance a jig on the line, then complain when you're caught with a foot over it.

At some point, personal responsibility has to come into play. As I said before, the maximum speed is not simultaneously the minimum. You are not forced to drive on the edge of the maximum. That is your choice.

Yes, speedometers can be inaccurate, I get that. But you're still choosing to drive right to the very limit.

You can be as righteous as you want, and lose the political battle.

 

[afransen]

I suspect most of this will fall on the property owners but, you're right, the cost could be reflected in the rent.

Dropping a couple of concrete barriers ('Jersey barriers'/'K-rails') won't be all that expensive if they are allowed.

Maybe they should get daycares to wear high vis clothing and watch out for cars.

 

[narduch]

City of Vaughan is getting rid of their speed camera program completely.

If you aren't aware they only launched their program earlier this year and had to stop it after only a few weeks because it was too successful and residents were complaining

 

[txlseries4]

it was too successful and residents were complaining

To your point, "Like many municipalities in Ontario, Vaughan rolled out its 10 speed cameras earlier this year. In the first three weeks of the program, 32,000 tickets were issued."

Also from The Star:

[Del Duca] said the main concern for residents in Vaughan is crime, and it was a difficult message to convey to people that they could be caught speeding, but “the real criminals” committing other more serious crimes are getting away with those offences. He also cited the costs that residents were forced to pay if they were caught speeding multiple times and how that affected them in the current difficult economy.

“We really need to focus on letting our residents know that we have their back and that we are working for them and that we aren’t going to go out on a limb to do something that really diminishes their trust and our ability to listen to them,” said Del Duca, after he put forth the motion.

Speeding and breaking the HTA isn't a real crime. If you want to break the law going too fast Del Duca's got your back

 

[afransen]

City of Vaughan is getting rid of their speed camera program completely.

If you aren't aware they only launched their program earlier this year and had to stop it after only a few weeks because it was too successful and residents were complaining

"Too successful" = road design and speed limits are wildly mismatched. Speed cameras are only laying bare the fact that you don't make roads safer by lowering the speed limit, absent changing the road design.

 

[Mihairokov]

City of Vaughan is getting rid of their speed camera program completely.

If you aren't aware they only launched their program earlier this year and had to stop it after only a few weeks because it was too successful and residents were complaining

I know of a community in rural Ontario who put in a speed camera on their main street this summer and it's so effective that people are changing their route to other roads which are now unable to handle the traffic. Our levels of government are a mess but our voters are worse.

 

[goreckm]

"Too successful" = road design and speed limits are wildly mismatched. Speed cameras are only laying bare the fact that you don't make roads safer by lowering the speed limit, absent changing the road design.

Sure. But this is a problem on practically every street / road in this province, and fixing it would be in the 100s of billions of dollars at minimum, which could be used for transit instead. And this plan would also start seeing loud opposition as soon as the first few projects were completed.

What's needed is leadership in politics, and not the kind of cowardice we see these days.

 

[afransen]

Sure. But this is a problem on practically every street / road in this province, and fixing it would be in the 100s of billions of dollars at minimum, which could be used for transit instead. And this plan would also start seeing loud opposition as soon as the first few projects were completed.

What's needed is leadership in politics, and not the kind of cowardice we see these days.

But are speed cameras really a viable solution?

Solutions to change road design need not be very expensive/require full reconstruction. Paint, flexipoles, jersey barriers and speed tables can accomplish a lot. I think it is lazy to admit defeat and try to put in thousands of cameras.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

But are speed cameras really a viable solution?

Solutions to change road design need not be very expensive/require full reconstruction. Paint, flexipoles, jersey barriers and speed tables can accomplish a lot. I think it is lazy to admit defeat and try to put in thousands of cameras.

YES!​

CAA survey suggests 73% of Ontarians support speed cameras, even as cams are cut down​

Majority of respondents say they slow down when nearing speed enforcement cameras​

See https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/survey-finds-ontarians-support-speed-cameras-1.7592325

 

[narduch]

The kids from the Vaughan Developer Mafia were probably getting to many tickets in Woodbridge and they had to get Ford to do something about it.

I'm half joking

 

[txlseries4]

Quite a story today in The Star

Hundreds of driving conviction appeals tossed after Toronto-area paralegal files ‘sham’ challenges

A judge found Adelin Mocanu’s ploy to file a raft of meritless appeals in Highway Traffic Act charges put public safety at risk and forced the court to spend “countless hours” on frivolous cases.

www.thestar.com

In a pair of rulings released April 9 and Aug. 14, Justice Louis P. Strezos found that GTA paralegal Adelin B. Mocanu lodged more than 220 “meritless” appeals over the past two years for charges related to speeding, disobeying traffic signs and other provincial offences under the Highway Traffic Act (HTA).

The judge found that Mocanu never had the intention of advancing the appeals, all of which were submitted after the paralegal or his Newmarket-based firm, Ticket Justice, entered guilty pleas on behalf of the defendants. Instead, Strezos determined, the goal of the ploy — flagged by city of Toronto prosecutors but which may have also been active in other jurisdictions — was to drag out proceedings until two years after the date the driver was charged. That’s the point after which provincial regulations dictate demerit points can no longer be applied to driving records.