MrsNesbitt
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I can actually agree with you on this one. Of course, then Harris would've gotten turfed, as would've McGuinty.
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Politics: Tim Hudak's Plan for Ontario if he becomes Premier
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I can actually agree with you on this one. Of course, then Harris would've gotten turfed, as would've McGuinty.
JKDM
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I love it when folks agree on things.
Now ... who's with me?!
"Hudak! Hudak! Huda-" ...
No?
Fair enough.
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JKDM
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Well, maybe if a few politicians went to jail over their "crimes against the Province" (I'm being silly, of course, but still ... ), we'd have more accountable politicians/parties.
TheTigerMaster
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How would you make it illegal? I'd love to know how that would be codified.
TheTigerMaster
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Yes... However I'm certain that could be said about any government (or even individuals). How much did Harris' dumb "mistakes" cost us and how much will Hudak's?
MrsNesbitt
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Way more. 99 years' worth of lost 407 tolls, plus the sunk costs (and they were grand alright) of acquiring the land for the 407 and building it, and the economic cost of having an essentially useless luxury highway not fulfilling its intended purpose of relieving congestion, which still strangles our province. And that's just the 407, to start with
BurlOak
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Harris did get turfed. Even though he stepped down, it was still his mandate that Ernie Eeves finished up and government repsonsibility means that Eeves deserved to be punished.
This is the exact same reason why nobody feels that the Wynne government is any different than the McGuinty government.
JKDM
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I have no idea.
However, don't you think citizens should push for things like this?
It can't possibly be a bad a thing to hold our elected officials more accountable with our hard-earned tax dollars.
innsertnamehere
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minus the $3 billion sale price.Way more. 99 years' worth of lost 407 tolls, plus the sunk costs (and they were grand alright) of acquiring the land for the 407 and building it, and the economic cost of having an essentially useless luxury highway not fulfilling its intended purpose of relieving congestion, which still strangles our province. And that's just the 407, to start with
The 407 is also used exactly as it would have been by the government, the tolls ensure that congestion never occurs on the highway. Its the whole point of tolling it. Case and point is the 407 East project which the government will operate just like the main portion of the 407.
That said, it was still an insanely dumbfounded move by the province to sell it.
W. K. Lis
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I remember the toll booths on the Burlington & Garden City Skyways, until 1973. 15¢. Similar to the price of comic books. Comic books are not 15¢ today, but a lot, lot more.
MrsNesbitt
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I have some serious doubts our tolls on the 407 would be as high under provincial ownership as they are under the consortium. They operate in that highway one of the most expensive tollways in the world, after all.
1overcosc
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Yes. I hate the Harper conservatives more than you can imagine, but the one thing they got right was managing the books. The Liberal government back in the 1990s balanced the budget and paid off a bunch of debt, but it came at significant cost to our economy and society. While Harper has damaged our society in many ways with his horrible policies, those horrible policies aren't his fiscal ones.
Now, income splitting, if implemented, will ruin a huge chunk of that record. It's the most stupid tax cut ever. I liked when Harper cut the sales tax, as sales tax is one of the most regressive taxes we have in our society. (Still think that $12B a year should have went to transit instead, but at least its a fairness-helping tax cut). Income splitting only benefits the well-off, and most importantly, it only benefits married couples with kids. What about the rest of us? What about those of us who don't have kids and don't get married? We already are f**ked over thanks to the massive tax subsidy the government gives to married folk this will only make it worse. The money would be much, much, much better spent increasing the basic personal credit, as that move would help everybody, with the greatest help given to those who need it the most.
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mpd618
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Yeah, the tolls are astronomical, even overnight; no congestion charging scheme would be charging $0.20/km to drive on the highway at 3am. The 407 charges way more than needed to ensure there's no congestion.
TOareaFan
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It is continuing to grow.....our debt level is growing faster than our economy
http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showth...tario-Provincial-Election?p=877717#post877717
TOareaFan
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I need some clarity on the 407.....on the one hand we "lost billions" based on the amount of tolls the private operator has/does/will charge.....on the other hand one of the benefits of continued public ownership is we could have dramatically reduced toll charges......is that about right?
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