afransen
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It was a dog whistle during an election campaign, and it backfired spectacularly.
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urbanclient
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I am quite certain he does know a good deal lol.
Westey
Active Member
He seems to have done a fair bit wrong for someone who supposedly knows.
When Carney made his famous - Canadians don't use steel, so it's okay to pile carbon taxes on it - comment during the election campaign, I really started to wonder if he was an idiot or whether he thought his voters were idiots.
I have run into quite a few PhD's who are so specialized that they have no breadth of knowledge, and only have a very narrow focus. For Carney, it seems to be avoiding paying taxes for his companies and now as funneling taxpayers money to his companies.
At the time, I thought - Carney had the resume to get the job interview, but he failed the interview.
I actually think Carney could be an ok PM, but that is not why he was recruited for the job and not what was required of him.
urbanclient
Active Member
Fair... but politicians playing dumb to advance special interest groups... a tale as old as time.
Bayer
Senior Member
Hey, that's my home town! Well, from ages 7 to 19. Never been to Ben's though because poutine is junk food. (Well, what did you think it was?)
Fine…. a Carney McDs crossover.
Mark Carney serves poutine in Quebec: 'I'm a bit like Trump. Trump at McDonald's'
Liberal leader put to work during campaign whistlestop at well-known takeout in Granby, Que.ca.news.yahoo.com
afransen
Senior Member
So you instead supported the part time call centre operator who took a decade to finish a BA from University of Calgary and said that cryptocurrencies were a good store of value.
picard102
Senior Member
Didn't we just cut the space program budget? Is this going to be more money flowing to a private company, or will the crown actually own this spaceport?-MO-10-MINO_GENERIC_WEB_CARDS_TEMPLATE_NEWS-RELEASE-TITLE_EN.jpg)
Minister MacKinnon announces sovereign space launch capabilities through the Canadian Space Launch Act
Canada reached the moon but still lacks its own way to space. Canada is the only country in the G7 that does not have space launch capabilities and must rely on foreign countries, most often the United States, to reach orbit. In a more uncertain and competitive world, Canada cannot rely on...www.canada.ca
Minister MacKinnon announces sovereign space launch capabilities through the Canadian Space Launch Act
picard102
Senior Member
Not just Harper, Alberta and Ontario were pushing the federal government to bring in more people. Conservative governments love to suppress wages.
picard102
Senior Member
The relationship is already destroyed. It's his way of making PP look even more unimportant than he is.
CMQSD402F9011
Active Member
Shouldn’t it be time to reform the criminal record checks? I’ve seen many people that would say that criminal records are barriers to those after leaving prison. And why wouldn’t Canada take a page from Norway or Sweden then?
urbanclient
Active Member
This is mostly false on many levels.
In the late 19th, early 20th century, suppressing wages tended to be a right-wing/conservative thing in some Western countries; this is established history. (Conversely, labour movements tended to be anti-immigration)
However, in the recent Canadian case, that's not very true.
Harper made it easier to get TFWs in 2006/7, but virtually all of immigration-driven growth under Harper came from PR admissions.
Under Trudeau it came from temporary (work) visas like IMP, student visas, student-work visas, which are federal programs, see post on previous page. Much more likely to be low wage and wage suppressive too. And if you don't believe me, here is the Bank of Canada saying so.
"Between 2015 and 2024, temporary workers have become younger, less experienced and more likely to migrate from lower-income countries. As well, the shares of temporary workers in skilled occupations have declined moderately. Throughout this period, the average nominal wage gap between temporary and Canadian-born workers has more than doubled, widening from -9.5%to -22.6%. [...]
Our results suggest that aggregate nominal wages would have been, on average, 0.7% higher in 2023–24 had the characteristics of temporary workers remained unchanged over the past decade."
Harper tightened the TFW system in 2013 and 2014 due to backlash from a April 2012 loosening that set 15% below prevailing wage for high skilled jobs and 5% below prevailing wage for low skilled jobs. In April 2013, they reinstated the prevailing wage requirement. This explicit wage suppression lasted for one year. In 2014, TFWs were heavily restricted under Harper, which lead to applications declining by 75%. A study showed that wages grew "3–6 percent for domestic workers in occupations heavily reliant on TFWs", as a result of the 2014 reforms.
TFWs and IMP-equivalents actually declined in the last few years of Harper's admin:
| Year | TFWP | IMP |
|---|---|---|
| 2013 | 118,446 | 193,381 |
| 2014 | 94,621 | 194,160 |
| 2015 | 73,040 | 176,168 |
Here is what happened in 2016, right after the Liberals were elected: "Canada dilutes plan to limit low-wage temporary foreign workers"
https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...wage-temporary-foreign-workers-idUSL1N19F22D/.
Here are the 2024 numbers to compare:
| Year | TFWP | IMP |
|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 191,630 | 717,405 |
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Yes, but part of that was asking for more skilled PRs (economic immigrants), instead of say, family reunification PRs.
In 2007, Alberta said they want 10% of PRs, and that more PR nominations would help skilled labour shortages. The Provincial Nominee Program.
https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=214387C8478C8-D2AA-EF6B-F7F8A6089B60D50E&utm
In 2011, Alberta realized TFWs weren't the optimal solution, PRs were better. https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/30c...11-impact-of-the-temporary-foreign-worker.pdf
In 2014 and 2017, the Ontario Liberals similarly pushed for more skilled PRs, since their proportion of PRs had declined.
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/28364/strengthening-immigration-in-ontario
https://www.ontario.ca/page/new-direction-ontarios-immigration-strategy
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Permanent admissions during Harper went from 250,000 in 2006 to 272,000 in 2015.
More to the point, if Harper loosening TFW rules spiked migration like you two are implying, why was net migration was flat from 2000 through 2015?
Net migration went up 60% in the first year of Trudeau on a year-to-year basis. We can compare to Chretien/Martin before Harper as well:
| Year | PR admissions (Immigrants) | Net migration |
|---|---|---|
| 1993 | 256,754 | 142,805 |
| 1994 | 224,395 | 152,213 |
| 1995 | 212,875 | 161,792 |
| 1996 | 226,061 | 166,553 |
| 1997 | 216,034 | 154,022 |
| 1998 | 174,184 | 117,263 |
| 1999 | 189,971 | 158,015 |
| 2000 | 227,429 | 198,753 |
| 2001 | 250,638 | 238,533 |
| 2002 | 229,049 | 212,500 |
| 2003 | 221,349 | 194,416 |
| 2004 | 235,859 | 194,999 |
| 2005 | 262,246 | 212,969 |
| 2006 | 251,649 | 216,500 |
| 2007 | 236,763 | 229,266 |
| 2008 | 247,262 | 266,253 |
| 2009 | 252,218 | 267,064 |
| 2010 | 280,739 | 250,479 |
| 2011 | 248,735 | 240,605 |
| 2012 | 257,825 | 253,606 |
| 2013 | 259,046 | 260,580 |
| 2014 | 260,308 | 222,322 |
| 2015 | 271,867 | 205,971 |
| 2016 | 296,385 | 328,335 |
| 2017 | 286,537 | 380,739 |
| 2018 | 321,054 | 438,056 |
| 2019 | 341,174 | 495,164 |
| 2020 | 184,594 | 69,293 |
| 2021 | 406,046 | 444,372 |
| 2022 | 437,612 | 917,753 |
| 2023 | 471,817 | 1,196,843 |
| 2024 | 483,654 | 815,808 |
| 2025 | 393,752 | -133,642 |
StatsCan Source
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I wonder why the CBC didn't cover LMIA-less IMP visas under Trudeau?
2013: "Temporary foreign workers hired in areas with EI claimants" was a big knock against the Conservatives
Hiring temporary workers on visas (IMP, student visas, student-work visas, and TFWs) has been commonplace despite EI claimants for a decade, it's just accepted practice now.
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81-717
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^1 out of 9?? Seems awfully high. Obviously not everyone with a criminal record is a violent murderer, but still.
Admiral Beez
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Deportation should be part of the sentencing, not a consequence of it. “Anyone PR, visa holder or visitor convicted of a criminal act shall face transportation to their country of origin.” or words to such. Of course we can’t send refugees back to active war zones, so some different plan is needed there.
Mihairokov
Senior Member
One time a friend of mine was visiting Saudi Arabia. I was working with a Muslim from Pakistan here in Toronto at the time and they were excited to hear about my friend's experience. When they visited Mecca my coworker asked if they were Muslim and my response was "no, they're X nationality". My coworker kind of cocked his head a bit and said "Anyone can be Muslim no matter who or what they are." I think about that interaction quite a bit.Religious fundamentalist theocracies?
Honor killing - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Anyway, this "honor killing" nonsense is western liberal fearmongering from a decade ago to demonize Muslims. Lots of fundamentalists kill lots of people regardless of religion - you're just attaching yourself to this Harper-era dogwhistling to point at a religion you don't like, attaching it to cultures you associate with being Muslim. Pass.
I'd also like to note that the page you've linked quotes that honor killing "goes across cultures and religions" so, again: which culture are you referring to that encourages the killing of women? Please elaborate for us.
Lennox970
Active Member
Which ones, the offenders or their victims?