PM Mark Carney's Canada

[zang]

The Charter wouldn't have passed without it - and I don't buy that the government couldn't imagine it being used - people would use what exist, or else it wouldn't be there.

AoD

I don't really think that it wouldn't have passed without it. I mean, we were a cohesive country prior to the 1980s, and some provinces were willing to toss that all away if we didn't give them the ability to trample the rights outlines in it? In retrospect it seems more like provinces just wanted to eke out as much power as they could. That it hasn't been the political suicide that PET and others likely thought it could be doesn't mean anyone had the prescience to think people would try; and especially for the wholly frivolous reasons it's already been used for, too.

 

[zang]

Considering that the religious garb in question is the literal physical embodiment of women's oppression by the religion that forces it upon them - a symbol of patriarchy, coercion and restriction that women in that religion have to deal with on a daily basis - I wouldn't publicly touch Bill 21 with a ten foot pole. Whichever side of the argument you fall on with that bill, you will catch a ton of flack.

Many wear hijab and niqab willingly, and many left oppressive nations so as to have a choice to wear it of their own volition.

Married Orthodox Jewish women are expected to wear headscarves as well, but Quebec wouldn't dare touch that community with the NWC.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

I don't really think that it wouldn't have passed without it. I mean, we were a cohesive country prior to the 1980s, and some provinces were willing to toss that all away if we didn't give them the ability to trample the rights outlines in it? In retrospect it seems more like provinces just wanted to eke out as much power as they could. That it hasn't been the political suicide that PET and others likely thought it could be doesn't mean anyone had the prescience to think people would try; and especially for the wholly frivolous reasons it's already been used for, too.

Of course the provinces were always willing to toss that all away - what they are doing now is nothing new. PET didn't want the clause either but politics is the art of the possible.

AoD

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

Many wear hijab and niqab willingly

For some reason "Stockholm syndrome" comes to mind. But I'm not about to sit here and defend Bill 21 either. As you point out, it is aimed at one religion in particular and something tells me that women's rights is not the real reason why it was passed.

 

[Jonny5]

CBC says we have another floor crosser:

"Ontario MP Michael Ma says he's joining Liberal caucus"

He's the MP for Markham-Unionville

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-crosses-floor-to-liberals-9.7012767

 

[Richard White]

CBC says we have another floor crosser:

"Ontario MP Michael Ma says he's joining Liberal caucus"

He's the MP for Markham-Unionville

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-crosses-floor-to-liberals-9.7012767

With an even 171-171 split I wonder who will cross the floor next.

The bigger question is, if another conservative MP crosses the floor, will Pollievre remain as leader?

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

if another conservative MP crosses the floor, will Pollievre remain as leader?

Of course he will. The man has no shame.

 

[afransen]

With an even 171-171 split I wonder who will cross the floor next.

The bigger question is, if another conservative MP crosses the floor, will Pollievre remain as leader?

I imagine all the stops will come out to get over the line. Carney really needs a majority to be able to make tough policy decisions. Surely there are a few red Tories that would cross for the good of the country.

 

[afransen]

Of course he will. The man has no shame.

His caucus can turf him thanks the the Reform Act (thanks Michael Chong).