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Ottawa Transit Developments

After trying to navigate Montreal with a stroller, I know realize how important accessibility (and lack thereof) is



Note that he mentions that there are TWO elevators. Just in case one of them breaks down. Something that the penny-pinchers are against.
 
How does holding the door open on one train cause the entire system to go down?
The door sensors have been known to be problematic for months. Somebody broke a door holding it open. We are hearing that doors are closing before everybody exits the train particularly at the University of Ottawa.
 

I know this is from yesterday but Hubly said: “We saw at the peak that it was getting pretty full, but it wasn't over full. There wasn't mass numbers being left behind.”

Uh, does anyone see anything wrong with this? People shouldn’t be left behind on a brand new system in a growing city even if there’s an insanely high existing demand. Something tells me they’re going to need more trains and/or to lengthen platforms sooner than expected.
 

I know this is from yesterday but Hubly said: “We saw at the peak that it was getting pretty full, but it wasn't over full. There wasn't mass numbers being left behind.”

Uh, does anyone see anything wrong with this? People shouldn’t be left behind on a brand new system in a growing city even if there’s an insanely high existing demand. Something tells me they’re going to need more trains and/or to lengthen platforms sooner than expected.

They are supposed to be running 15, but are only running 13. The claim is they didn't need them, but really I think they can only run 13 at the moment. There's lots of capacity outside 1 particular hour of the day they just need 3 minutes rather than 4 in rush hour
 
The door sensors have been known to be problematic for months. Somebody broke a door holding it open. We are hearing that doors are closing before everybody exits the train particularly at the University of Ottawa.
Broken doors usually can usually be manually be closed and locked, so the LRT can continue service with one door out-of-service.

But this case, the door was apparently jammed in way that it could not close fully -- it couldn't be mechanically closed-and-locked.

Consequently, the vehicle was stuck at the stop -- it couldn't even deadhead out-of-service to the yard with an open door.

They need to drastically work to eliminate the unfixable jammed-open events. Any malfunctioning door must always be manually closeable-and-lockable, and a malfunctioning door can be kept locked at all future stations, letting passengers out other doors instead. There are always teething pains but this is a serious issue that must be resolved quickly at this early juncture to protect the reputation of Ontario LRTs, since this can easily be used as a lobbying point of anti-LRT campaigners for upcoming LRTs if this is not resolved promptly.

It's quite possible that a door sensor triggers a safety interlock that prevents LRT vehicle from moving at all, even with a fully closed door with a failed sensor. If that's the case, then that's another layer of failure.

They should have thought of it...
-- A way to manually crank the doors sufficiently closed even if slightly bent out of shape by up to a few millimeters.
-- Sensor override feature should be available for a door sensor fail, to allow the interlocks to permit deadheading an out-of-service vehicle with suspect door
-- Rapid checklist for jammed doors.

Alstom should hit engineering Errata big-time -- stat! -- and offer this for OC Transpo at no charge -- and before winter hits.

Also, Bombardier's starting to look good again for the other Ontario LRTs.
 
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Broken doors usually can usually be manually be closed and locked, so the LRT can continue service with one door out-of-service.

But this case, the door was apparently jammed in way that it could not close fully -- it couldn't be mechanically closed-and-locked.

Consequently, the vehicle was stuck at the stop -- it couldn't even deadhead out-of-service to the yard with an open door.

They need to drastically work to eliminate the unfixable jammed-open events. Any malfunctioning door must always be manually closeable-and-lockable, and a malfunctioning door can be kept locked at all future stations, letting passengers out other doors instead. There are always teething pains but this is a serious issue that must be resolved quickly at this early juncture to protect the reputation of Ontario LRTs, since this can easily be used as a lobbying point of anti-LRT campaigners for upcoming LRTs if this is not resolved promptly.

It's quite possible that a door sensor triggers a safety interlock that prevents LRT vehicle from moving at all, even with a fully closed door with a failed sensor. If that's the case, then that's another layer of failure.

They should have thought of it...
-- A way to manually crank the doors sufficiently closed even if slightly bent out of shape by up to a few millimeters.
-- Sensor override feature should be available for a door sensor fail, to allow the interlocks to permit deadheading an out-of-service vehicle with suspect door
-- Rapid checklist for jammed doors.

Alstom should hit engineering Errata big-time -- stat! -- and offer this for OC Transpo at no charge -- and before winter hits.

Also, Bombardier's starting to look good again for the other Ontario LRTs.

As Torontonians, Vancouverites, and Montrealers know though partial shutdowns are inevitable, and will happen in Ottawa now for all sorts of reasons even if the door issue never happened again. Ottawans aren't used to this though, with the transitway buses could divert around problems. Also unlike in other cities Ottawa really put all the eggs in the LRT basket by trying to ensure every crosstown trip has to involve transferring onto a train.. Hopefully OC Transpo will eventually realize the folly and realize buses aren't just for shuttling people to the train.
 
Yes, activating shuttlebussing quicker too.

Yes, it's inevitable, but the disruption was major -- complete shutdown of an LRT with vehicle stuck at the station for something like 1 hour, literally. It couldn't even deadhead. TTC doesn't do that even for a stuck door. They either safely lock it shut and continue revenue service -- or they they clear the train (empty train with one door stuck open with yellow caution rope) slowly deadheading that empty train to the yard with active trains ahead/behind it.

Being born in Ottawa, I've been watching the door problems earlier during my big vested interest in watching the LRT construction.

Ottawa's LRT doors seem to be at least one-to-two orders of magnitude more problematic than TTC subway doors, on a per-door basis. That's still unacceptable.
 
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They are supposed to be running 15, but are only running 13. The claim is they didn't need them, but really I think they can only run 13 at the moment. There's lots of capacity outside 1 particular hour of the day they just need 3 minutes rather than 4 in rush hour
Yes, they were unsuccessful at running 15 trains because of unreliability problems. Obviously, when running only 13 trains, trains will be more crowded than desired. They are using an excuse of only 'needing' 13 trains to hide the reliability problems. At present, 13 is the maximum number of trains that they can run. The problem is that is causing further problems (not enough time to exit a train) and it hasn't even been mentioned how this impacts people with disabilities including those needing a scooter or wheelchair.
 
Yes, activating shuttlebussing quicker too.

Yes, it's inevitable, but the disruption was major -- complete shutdown of an LRT with vehicle stuck at the station for something like 1 hour, literally. It couldn't even deadhead. TTC doesn't do that even for a stuck door. They either safely lock it shut and continue revenue service -- or they they clear the train (empty train with one door stuck open with yellow caution rope) slowly deadheading that empty train to the yard with active trains ahead/behind it.

Being born in Ottawa, I've been watching the door problems earlier during my big vested interest in watching the LRT construction.

Ottawa's LRT doors seem to be at least one-to-two orders of magnitude more problematic than TTC subway doors, on a per-door basis. That's still unacceptable.

It wasn't actually an hour the train was there. The train was moved within 20 minutes, and the trains continued to run in single track mode. However the backlog it caused took a full hour to clear.

This is the major issue as in no other city in Canada are we as totally dependent on a single line. Virtually every single commuter gets dumped at a confed line station, so while a Line 1 issue in Toronto does cause general headaches and grumbling, it doesn't bring down the whole TTC. A line 1 issue in Ottawa stops everyone.
 

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