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Aren't streetcars more effective at providing local transit? Especially given how deep new downtown subways will need to be. I'd say increase transit priority for streetcars and let them handle local circulation, and subways with more spaced stops. Especially given the monumental expense of stations. We aren't going to be able to repeat the shallow cut and cover stations we built 50 years ago downtown.
I think it's been proposed by Multiple relief line plans from decades prior. It also seemed to be the most logical route, with people mentioning Dufferin as a compelling if unlikely alternative (myself included). Metrolinx considering this routing to Roncesvalles I think is high considering possibility of running the rails along a GO corridor. Also may allow them to use station placement to create a convenient connection to Dundas West TTC and Bloor UP stations.
Above all, remember how detailed OPs really are about transportation. Especially where they‘ve got a note about alignment still being undetermined there’s a lot of leeway as is, while an OP amendment to change that is basically a non-issue on the scale of transit infrastructure projects.
Localized in the context of Line 2 type stop spacing. With increased densification, a higher capacity E-W line will be necessary in 50 years beyond streetcars and with GO expansion, to avoid overburdening Union. I'm not saying streetcars aren't necessary, they certainly are, but an additional link to supplement that network.
I meant it being added to the official plan in 2020. There's line pretty much everywhere if you look at various options ... heck, I think even I have suggested Roncesvalles at some point here - extending at least Keele/St. Clair to provide good destinations for the 506 and 512, which would drive reverse flow.
The thing is we can't really build Line 2 style subway lines anymore. The only way to do that even remotely affordably would be cut and cover construction, and even then there are simply too many things in the way for that to be feasible in 2022. As such, any new subway line would have to be built deep (maybe not 40m, but 30m certainly), and such depth would mean that using the subway to travel locally would be way too time consuming. By the time you reach the platform and leave the other station, you could've just waited and got on a streetcar. The time savings of having a subway completely erodes.
Planning transit routes based on legacy? Yuck.
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That's the way the City sees it. The province calls the shots now and will own the Ontario Line. The City can design whatever it wants, but it's not gonna sway much.
Depends on who wins the election really.
Exactly. And Toronto has clearly influenced planning of the Ontario line, it's really a refinement rather than a complete scrapping of the RL.
We know whose winning the election. The ndp arent going to win and I could be standing directly beside the liberal candidate and not recognize him.
