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One year since Jane Creba

every so often I'm shocked back to reality with statements like the above that are made with cold ignorance accompanied usually and only by a cold arrogance. it saddens me to think that supposedly intelligent 'white europeans' with the history of the so many countless dead behind them - some white, mostly not - still to this day speak about fear and blacks and jamaicans with all the introspection and meditation of a 4 year old.

there is too much to understand about this topic to corrupt it with simple racism.

dig a little deeper for everyone's sake.
 
I remember this day last year, when Jane Creba was shot by Black gangsters while shopping on Yonge Street. This was a thought provolking moment for me, as I'd always thought that Black and Jamaican crime didn't touch white Europeans such as myself, and thought more so that Carribean folk seemed satisfied to kill primarily one another.
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My hope was that this post turns out to be a poor and miscalculated attempt at humour, but I believe that my hopes are in error.

Using the violent death of Jane Creba as a launching point for a semi-veiled racists outburts exposes your facile concern for her memory. You can see that, can't you?

Identifying gang members on the basis of skin colour alone smacks or racism.

Directly linking culture and race to criminal acts is an assault on the vast majority of those populations who are law-abiding, and themselves offended by illegal activities. It would be like suggesting that people of Spanish heritage today have a direct responsibility to the criminal and inhuman acts of the slave trade of past centuries. It would be quite unfair.
 
You learn something new every day.

I've spent over 30 years living within 5 minutes of the Jane/Finch intersection. I've got European parents, blond hair and my ass colour is whiter than milk. I'm really getting worried... should I relocate? Suggestions on purified areas of Toronto would be appreciated!

I kinda remember my school bullies being white. And somehow I still find that I'm more afraid of the white man than a punk gangster of whatever colour. Whitie has been and continues to be the cause of a lot of my headaches. When society starts to focus properly and fill the jails with 'white' collars, my world will be a much more fun and safer place.

If you missed the recent Louise Russo documentary on The Fifth Estate, you might want to check it out...

www.cbc.ca/fifth/therat/index.html

Hey look, whitie criminals with guns in and around the Jane/Finch area! Those CBC guys and their fairytales... :rolleyes
 
Well I think Abeja could have phrased his comment more tactfully. It may well be considered politically incorrect. However, let's acknowledge it, he takes straight aim at the thoughts of a lot of people.
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That doesn't excuse his racism.

He wasn't pointing out that this his how people think - he's demonstrating that this is how he thinks.
 
Just because most street criminals are of darker skin complexion, makes you fear all people of dark skin?
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the vast majority of street criminals carrying around 5 to 5 1/2 inch weapons are white
 
However you want to craft your response the sad reality is that Abeja most likely represents the majority perspective on the incident. The fact that this shooting galvanized into "the" criminal event in a year where even babies were caught in the cross-fire has a lot to do with the "it could happen to me" phenomenon but I would say mostly with the fact that a young, pretty white girl died. At any rate I'm of the opinion it is best to let this subject rest in peace.
 
This is not, I hope, leading to a race-based discussion of weapon size.

I see Abeja's phobic attitude towards gays and young men of colour as an illness - irrational fears that can be treated.
 
Anyone else remember Vivi Lemonis? The pretty, white, yuppie victim (and never-ending Sun fodder) of the 1990s? I admit though, that this case was in one way more "newsworthy" as it occured in such a brazen way, but also reinforced the "it could happen to you" fear mentality.
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But the funny thing is, the Vivi Leimonis murder seemed to invoke a more visceral fear and paranoia re, er, "blacks with guns"--perhaps because it was a different Toronto, a different era. Whereas Jane Creba's impact on Torontonians seems to have been more holistic, a bit of an "eerie wail" not unlike what I identify with NYC proper in the months after 9/11. Compared to a decade ago, that whole Toronto Sun crime-baiting trip seems a crude anachronism--Toronto's doing just fine, it coped.

If anything--and funny this hasn't brought up yet--the broader repercussions of Jane Creba's killing weren't local per se, but national; after all, this was one of those mid-election Xmas-break calamities (along w/Goodale-gate, etc) that tipped the balance t/w the Tories. All in all, it probably scared more dumb outsiders away from Toronto than it scared Torontonians away from Toronto, or at least from the downtown core--but the net result was an "anti-Toronto" federal government with no representation closer than Whitby or Caledon.

So, Toronto coped--yet, it lost...or maybe it didn't even lose as bad as it looks...
 
Is this post a call to race wars or what?

Honestly, Abeja, try to be less blatant with your baiting, shall we?
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Sorry Mod and everyone, that "white shooter" comment was out of line. I was angry at Mark Dowling's post, which IMO, belittled Jane Creba as "cute/white enough" person for the media. I took the bait, when I should have get let it go.

No, I'm not trying to start any race war. I was trying to point out that when I arrived in Toronto from Europe I'd heard about the Black and primarily Jamaican crime in Toronto, and thought at the time that it didn't affect me. Thus, when Creba was killed, I thought, that could have been me, just another person out shopping downtown. Thus, the lesson I learned is that we must try to address this issue.
 
Yeah, those'd be fun; figuring out rebuses & stuff
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I agree. we should start addressing the issue. let's start with you. how can we fix you?
 
Abeja,

I found your initial post to be far more offensive than the "white shooter" comment - and stop portraying yourself as the victim - you're the one baiting for responses for starting this thread in the first place.

AoD
 
Abeja

don't blame me for your reflexes. My point in that post was simply that in 2006 there wasn't a victim which suited the media's prejudices and thus there was a perception that the problem had gone away in a year that there have been 70 homicides in the city.

source: www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/
 
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