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OLG Toronto/GTA casino proposal (where to put it?)

gristle said:
That casino is in Gatineau Quebec - which is strong example of urban blight.
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Not really urban blight, though the CBD is certainly lost in a time warp.

But again the point is it is ridiculous to argue that putting a casino in Toronto would kill the surrounding neighbourhood. Build it, while insisting on good design (and hopefully no surface parking), just like we do for other projects.
 
Its crazy the negativity from some people...you would think the world would come to an end, if we got one.
Hey like i said before,,,bring it on, im OK with a Casino in Toronto.

For gods sake, make a deal with the province... 100-200 million a year is good, at least it would help us bury the clutter of overhead wires, maybe even fix a bunch of broken-down sidewalks, update some bridges/roads, plant some trees, etc, etc. etc....now, who doesnt like that.
 
k10ery, I agree that the TVO Agenda piece was utterly bias against casinos but that was the fault of the segment producers of the show not the guests. But as I mentioned I do feel that Mr. Greenberg swayed my opinion. Not regarding the merits of gambling or casino gambling venues themselves but about the form gambling venues take.

I think we should throw out any further discussion about the merits of gambling in this discussion. It's not the real issue here. Torontonian's can and do gamble every day either from the comfort of their homes or by travelling to sanctioned as well as illegal venues and social gatherings. Encouraging this behaviour may or may not be morally wrong but that has nothing to do with the issue of where a casino goes or what OLG's corporate strategy is. We must assume that there is a 100% chance of a venue being placed in the GTA by OLG regardless of if Toronto itself accepts such a venue.

Also, until now the form of gambling venue OLG would pursue must be assumed to be a massive big box that would be virtually impossible to not be completely inward looking and at best, best, neutral to the surrounding environments. You can put lipstick on a pig but intrinsically such a venue must by design be introverted. Perhaps casinos would be better if they were smaller licensed venues where OLG was merely the regulatory authority as opposed to the design, build, operator. That is not what we are dealing with here.
 
I agree that the TVO Agenda piece was utterly bias against casinos but that was the fault of the segment producers of the show not the guests.
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I disagree. The guests were "experts", and I thought they pointed out all the pros and cons quite well. The Host played devil's advocate quite well. It would only be biased if there were experts that would be able to refute the facts...and there isn't.

The only argument is whether the pro's outweigh the cons. And when you look at the facts, the general conclusion is that they don't. It's those that would argue in favour of casinos despite the facts, who are the actual "biased" ones.
 
TrickyRicky said:
Perhaps casinos would be better if they were smaller licensed venues where OLG was merely the regulatory authority as opposed to the design, build, operator.
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So the Beer Store, LCBO, OLG Store, stays all controlled by the government...Wow, ive been waiting for the day that it all gets thrown out the window
Hahaha...why dont they (Ont.Govt.) just open up a store, find a name for it... and put it all together, they can also throw in smokes, weed, and pills.:D
 
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Whereever they put it....they better make sure there is room for the associated businesses......
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24 hr water taxi services running between the Ontario Place Casino and the Island Whorehouses will create new jobs and improve tourism because of the fabulous skyline views.
 
freshcutgrass said:
I disagree. The guests were "experts", and I thought they pointed out all the pros and cons quite well. The Host played devil's advocate quite well. It would only be biased if there were experts that would be able to refute the facts...and there isn't.

The only argument is whether the pro's outweigh the cons. And when you look at the facts, the general conclusion is that they don't. It's those that would argue in favour of casinos despite the facts, who are the actual "biased" ones.
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C'mon. Greenberg showed air photos of Detroit and Atlantic City and said "See? The casino caused that." But of course he didn't show before/after photos, or show pictures of Camden (no casino) alongside Atlantic City.

I don't know the other guy, but he had a beard and a ponytail. Enough said.
 
Automation Gallery said:
So the Beer Store, LCBO, OLG Store, stays all controlled by the government...Wow, ive been waiting for the day that it all gets thrown out the window
Hahaha...why dont they (Ont.Govt.) just open up a store, find a name for it... and put it all together, they can also throw in smokes, weed, and pills.:D
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The Beer Store is a private company owned by two foreign-owned giant beer companies. It was given a monopoly to fleece Ontarians in a sweetheart deal with the government a long time ago. The LCBO is a government-owned monopoly. It also fleeces Ontarians, but does with better product selection, better looking stores, and better customer service than TBS (i.e. more than none!)

I wish right-wingers knew what they were talking about at least some of the time. Why not? Did you all stop listening in school because school is a government conspiracy?
 
C'mon. Greenberg showed air photos of Detroit and Atlantic City and said "See? The casino caused that." But of course he didn't show before/after photos, or show pictures of Camden (no casino) alongside Atlantic City.
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And you're using that as an excuse to label the panel biased??????

People are calling it "biased", because the panel didn't have anyone there to argue that casinos are good urban planning/public realm decisions (aside from the host that posed plenty of opposed arguments). Except there aren't any qualified urban planners/"experts" who do.

Let's face the facts....a casino isn't going to solve any of Toronto's budget woes....it isn't going to enhance the public realm wherever it is located...it isn't going to enhance Toronto's tourism/cultural industry...and it isn't a sign of Toronto joining any "big leagues" of world cities, despite some people thinking it will be some sort of feather in our cap.
 
TrickyRicky said:
k10ery, I agree that the TVO Agenda piece was utterly bias against casinos but that was the fault of the segment producers of the show not the guests.
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The voices that support casinos are representatives of the industry, shills and lobbyists. Greenberg and the UofT architecture prof are only interested in the well-being of the city, and have nothing to gain. Who would you believe?
 
neubilder said:
The voices that support casinos are representatives of the industry, shills and lobbyists. Greenberg and the UofT architecture prof are only interested in the well-being of the city, and have nothing to gain. Who would you believe?
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I'd believe anybody who brought real evidence and logic to the table, and didn't jhust dress up his ideology with a bunch of aerial photos.

I see no convincing case that a casino must harm the city. And people apparently want it. So wh not?

We have to stop saying no to stuff. Have you been to the CNE grounds lately? Beautiful structures and decent park lands, which are absolutely empty almost all the time. Let's give people a reason to go there, and invest in improving the public land around it.
 
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