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Montréal Transit Developments

Sure, and Toronto could achieve something similar, perhaps for even less, if GO Transit was to give away 2 of the GO lines for LRT or GO-ALRT-like service.

We could, and I was kinda hoping we'd see something GO-ALRT like as the RER/SmartTrack plan evolved. IOW a dedicated line completely separated from road and rail, with light metro qualities, and perhaps designed for future branches along suburban arterials to provide local rapid transit. But it seems so far Mlinx is hard set on low-platform, bilevel, heavy rail mainline railway rolling stock.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly what they are proposing as part of this proposal through Brossard? Though I guess we are talking in the median of an Autoroute here!

Exactly, it's in a median of an expwy Autoroute...similar to how Line 1 travels in Allen Rd's "median". But at the end of the day it's still grade-separated from the roadway (unlike tram-style LRT as proposed with Crosstown East, FWLRT, SELRT; or 509, 510, 512). I guess as time evolves we'll see more specific maps about routing and how the line will be built or evolve/devolve. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they chose to elevate above Autoroute to preserve lanes where possible. And the only render so far did appear to show an elevated station/guideway.
 
Doesn't that lead to the kind of design failure that many people have acknowleded with the Allen? That the centre of the expressway is not a node? And look at how much wider the 10 is than the Allen!
 
Doesn't that lead to the kind of design failure that many people have acknowleded with the Allen? That the centre of the expressway is not a node? And look at how much wider the 10 is than the Allen!

Naturally. But I try not to view it as a "failure", more as a compromise in light of the high cost of alternatives (like tunneling under a built environment). I guess the onus would be on the city and transit planners to try and mitigate the problems associated with plonking a station in the middle of a highway (e.g by improving connecting surface routes, pedestrian/cycling access, adding bridges, and coordinating future development to make the area around stations more pedestrian-friendly).
 
Aquateam - out of curiosity, what do you find are some of the biggest differences between Mtl and TO, in terms of transit, city life etc. (besides clear language differences)? I ask because my U.S. based parent company is about to open an office in downtown Montreal and they'd like people to consider transferring there...

If you don't mind me asking, what is your US-based parent company? I'm guessing they have an office in San Francisco? (based on your user name) Haha, I want to move there in the medium term so I'm curious about these job openings.

Some differences:

1) Language
Not as big a deal as you'd think. Almost everyone is bilingual. In fact, Ontarian/British Columbian friends who visit me looking to practice their french are disappointed to discover that a "Bonjour" is enough for Montrealers to label them as anglophone and switch from French to English. It's useful to know french, partially to better understand the franglais, but it's not essential.

2) Cost of living
Rent is about 40% lower here. And so are transit passes. And so is car insurance. Dairy and some consumer goods are a bit more expensive but rent makes such a huge difference that you won't notice.

3) Driving
Although cheaper, driving is hugely stressful for visitors from out of province. constant construction; more aggressive drivers; unfamiliar regulations (no rights on red lights, no rights on green arrows, ubiquitous one-way streets); roads built in contempt of modern highway standards, the grid system, and the principle of hierarchy of roads. When you live here you get get accustomed to it but for occasional visitors it can sometimes be harrowing.

4) Bureaucracy
For someone moving from the bordering province, sometimes it felt like I was immigrating from another country with the effort it took to get a provincial health card. Having done my taxes last weekend, I'd also like to remark how inane it is that I have to submit two completely different tax forms to separate agencies for the provincial and federal government (I had to physically mail my provincial one last year, but could do my federal one online).

5) Culture
Definitely there is more focus on festivals here. All I have to do is walk around downtown and I'll find an area closed off for some kind of festival. In Toronto, there tend to be fewer which are more corporate/paid events, whereas here the government seems to arrange constant programming. It's happened to me many times where I've been showing someone around and just bumped into some public event, including an on-street snowboarding competition and a free Weird Al concert. Since I've moved to Montreal, I've also started going to more concerts/festivals, partially because there is such a good offering (e.g. Osheaga, Ile soniq, new city gas).

6) Streetscaping/Lighting
This is another area Montreal does really well at. Creative and colourful street lighting, light projections on buildings/pavement. There is enough street art to put Queen West to shame (there is a yearly mural competition). Significant buildings and bridges are illuminated, which is striking at night (the nighttime Montreal skyline packs a bigger punch than Vancouver/Toronto does, considering their relative sizes).

7) Transit
I did a long post comparing specifics in the two cities in another thread. My overall impression is that both offer similar quantity/quality of transit service, Montreal has palatial subway stations but suffers from the disadvantage that it's not laid out in a grid, so getting from point A to B can sometimes be more circuitous than it needs to be. I work near the airport and yet half the office takes transit to work (including my manager), so I'd take that as an endorsement. I just wish the subway ran a bit later (it closes before 1AM) and was more frequent during the off-peak (can be as infrequent as every 10 minutes). But the transfers are well designed, and you can get everywhere you need to go on the Island by transit.

8) Food
Montreal is supposed to be a foodie heaven: although I normally just cook for myself I would agree that there's a good selection. Food trucks have an incredible variety of gourmet foods, although I find them pricey.

9) Night life
I would say Toronto is better than Montreal for big events, but for a typical night out Montreal is more active. Last call is an hour later, higher concentration of students downtown, etc means that I'd say there are more bars/clubs and they tend to be more active until later. The strip clubs are also the best in North America, if that's your thing (visitors always want me to take them to one of them). There's also the Casino and two after hours clubs to keep the party going, whereas Toronto just has Comfort Zone.
 
If you don't mind me asking, what is your US-based parent company? I'm guessing they have an office in San Francisco? (based on your user name) Haha, I want to move there in the medium term so I'm curious about these job openings.

Some differences:

Aww. You didn't mention the ubiquitous mothballed alleys or that everybody who looks like a drugged out hooker actually eats (well, buys) a large amount a vegetables (I don't know why they look drugged out/vitamin deficient; drugs themselves don't do that alone; visit Bolinas outside San Fran to see a ridiculously large number of very healthy people with decades of constant drug use; though if you go walk into town as they don't take kindly to strangers in vehicles).

The gay village has ridiculously faggy looking people. Church street in Toronto is super-masculine by comparison.

Chinatown is disappointing. Metro (groceries) in Quebec has better quality food than Metro in Ontario; more expensive too.

It's also nearly impossible to find a decent pent-house rental with any kind of a view as they simply haven't built any, but triplexes are dirt cheap to rent.

Contractors (electricians, plumbers, roofers, even the Bell phone installer, etc.) give better service if you speak french. Have a neighbour or friend give them directions. The rest of the city doesn't seem to care one way or the other. On really cold nights (-25C with a wind) most people hanging around outside seem to speak Russian.

The restaurants aren't nearly as good as the locals claim (few seem to know how to cook an egg; fried eggs shouldn't have colour damnit), expensive mediocre food with lousy service (much like Paris itself). Le Paris, however, was an exception (really good blood sausage).

Electricity is cheap but since there is no insulation, don't expect your place to be warm even with the heat cranked.

The ponds in the old basement of a smelting? factory (Dickson and Notre Dame) have a huge number of dragon flys. Great place to practice macro photography. Botanical gardens are an excellent spot for a picnic and have free-entry in the late evenings IIRC; nobody cares if you take a bottle of wine (use glasses).

Those are my limited experiences from 6 months (St. Catherine and Pie IX) in 2008. My employer for the last decade is in Montreal, I'm still in Toronto.
 
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Aww. You didn't mention the ubiquitous mothballed alleys or that everybody who looks like a drugged out hooker actually eats (well, buys) a large amount a vegetables (I don't know why they look drugged out/vitamin deficient; drugs themselves don't do that alone; visit Bolinas outside San Fran to see a ridiculously large number of very healthy people with decades of constant drug use; though if you go walk into town as they don't take kindly to strangers in vehicles).

I can't really substantiate that.

The gay village has ridiculously faggy looking people. Church street in Toronto is super-masculine by comparison.

I also can't really compare the "fagginess" of the two city's respective homosexual populations so I'll take your word on it.

Chinatown is disappointing. Metro (groceries) in Quebec has better quality food than Metro in Ontario; more expensive too.

Chinatown is really small, some people call it "Chinablock". It has a vaguely disney-esque quality to it, like it's a theme park version of what a Chinatown should look like. But it functions well enough, I get my haircut there and friends of mine get groceries there.

It's also nearly impossible to find a decent pent-house rental with any kind of a view as they simply haven't built any, but triplexes are dirt cheap to rent.

Ah, I never noticed this shortage of penthouse apartments. I think I need a better paying job.

Contractors (electricians, plumbers, roofers, even the Bell phone installer, etc.) give better service if you speak french. Have a neighbour or friend give them directions. The rest of the city doesn't seem to care one way or the other. On really cold nights (-25C with a wind) most people hanging around outside seem to speak Russian.

The contractor thing is true, especially since most of them are from the boonies or haiti, so their english is very weak and their french also isn't the easiest to understand if you're not from quebec. Never noticed the Russian thing.

Electricity is cheap but since there is no insulation, don't expect your place to be warm even with the heat cranked.

I think this is just your apartment. My old apartment was unbearably warm in the winter, I'd normally open a window. I think by law they're required to have the heat on between certain dates, even if it's not needed.
 
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I also can't really compare the fagginess of the two city's respective homosexual populations so I'll take your word on it.

I didn't seek it out; just commuted through the area on foot (same with Toronto actually, it's between my place and chinatown grocery stores). There was a much higher density of exaggerated horny feminine than any other location I can think of in North America outside a "worst drag" contest (make-up, wigs, crop-tops and tight shorts are a horrible combination IMO). Maybe it was just that year, I've not really been back.

I can't really substantiate that.

Only a downtown-eastside problem at that time. I'm sure the demographics have changed since then. Friendly and helpful, but that was a particularly unhealthy neighbourhood.

West side a few km from downtown is pretty typical. Random anywhere Canada suburbs.

I think this is just your apartment. My old apartment was unbearably warm in the winter, I'd normally open a window. I think by law they're required to have the heat on between certain dates, even if it's not needed.

A large number of older boutique hotels have the same problem. You can almost see the frost blowing across the rooms with a strong -20C wind outside.


For the big stuff, Montreal is similar to much of the rest of North America (on average). Some of the small details are wildly different but you have to hang around for a while to see it.
 
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The gay village has ridiculously faggy looking people. Church street in Toronto is super-masculine by comparison.
There was a much higher density of exaggerated horny feminine than any other location I can think of in North America outside a "worst drag" contest (make-up, wigs, crop-tops and tight shorts are a horrible combination IMO).

What the hell is going on in this thread?
Do you realize that "fag" is a slur?
Holy shit, man. This was not somewhere you needed to take this conversation.
 
I'm going to assume rbt plays on the same team as myself... Otherwise, it really is inappropriate language.

I play on all teams.

Mods, edit my comments as you see fit. It's sufficient to say Montreal's gay village has a very very different feel from Toronto/San Fran/New York/... .
 
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I play on all teams.

Mods, edit my comments as you see fit. It's sufficient to say Montreal's gay village has a very different feel from Toronto's (or others); which fits with the "what's unique about Montreal" question much earlier.
Good - that way you keep your options open!
 
Just a heads up in case people were not aware, we have a thread for the Réseau Électrique Métropolitain in UT's twin-sister website SkyRiseCities.

Edit: Didn't realize that discussion was actually moved here by a mod from other threads. So disregard, and carry on. (First time I have seen this thread as I was not subscribed. I view UT threads through subscriptions rather than the forum itself)

I believe that's what Wisla thought when he created that very thread here.

Only to have a mod move it over there because it's not Toronto.

So now we start discussing here again?

I created the thread on SRC, not on UT. But yes, for the purpose of centralizing discussion in one place.

I thought that there was an understanding that GTHA+K-W transit threads belonged on UT, everywhere else on SRC. (Exception thus far being London Rapid Transit, due it being near enough and small enough to belong on UT.)
 
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Welp, just went trough the posts and wow at the slurs. People in Montréal are just less bulky than their anglo counterparts. Even straight people look way slimmer.

Anyways, the REM construction is well underway. Pictures are from the CDPQi.


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