Montréal Transit Developments

[Mihairokov]

These big city subreddits seem to attract the most miserable people, so I'm not surprised.

It really varies. I find the Toronto one decent all-things-considered.

I don't see anything off about the comments on the Montreal reddit. Unless i'm mistaken on REM they're not wrong that you're not guaranteed a seat - I don't expect a seat when i'm riding GO.

 

[NoahB]

Projet Montreal proposes an 'express bus network'.
The target is to have:

• fewer stops
• more frequency
• all day
• reserved lanes
• synchronised traffic lights
  
  
  
  
  
  
  I also noticed that the city is aiming to have 184km of trams by 2050. Where is this coming from? That would be more than double Toronto's 83km streetcar network and expanding it a few kilometers seems to cost billions now (Waterfront LRT)

 

[officedweller]

Curious, is Translink in Vancouver offering permanent parallel (redundant) bus services along side all of the Skytrain routes? What happens when Vancouver Skytrain breaks down?

If SkyTrain breaks down, it's not usually the whole line, so they set up bus bridges.
That said, there are less frequent 'local' bus routes that provide last block service along some corridors like Cambie St.

 

[p_xavier]

These big city subreddits seem to attract the most miserable people, so I'm not surprised.

But I mentioned this a few weeks ago: exo is experiencing a huge uptick in ridership with no funds to expand service.

Though I'm realizing now this is the St-Jerome line and I thought it was relatively ok. Maybe more return to office is making it worse.

I've never seen so many people downtown Montréal and that includes prepandemic. It's packed. Thing is transit agencies don't have funding needed and every user added, well it's additional costs (besides the REM which makes money on its user base). I know a lot of you folks don't like the REM model but the old school model just doesn't work. For EXO more users mean even higher deficits, same as STM if adding more vehicles.

 

[p_xavier]

Projet Montreal proposes an 'express bus network'.
The target is to have:

• fewer stops
• more frequency
• all day
• reserved lanes
• synchronised traffic lights
  
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  I also noticed that the city is aiming to have 184km of trams by 2050. Where is this coming from? That would be more than double Toronto's 83km streetcar network and expanding it a few kilometers seems to cost billions now (Waterfront LRT)

For the party that had the REM de l'Est cancelled they can dream of more biking lanes, it will never happen.

 

[APTA-2048]

I've never seen so many people downtown Montréal and that includes prepandemic. It's packed. Thing is transit agencies don't have funding needed and every user added, well it's additional costs (besides the REM which makes money on its user base). I know a lot of you folks don't like the REM model but the old school model just doesn't work. For EXO more users mean even higher deficits, same as STM if adding more vehicles.

The REM is still getting a subsidy from the ARTM, though.

I don't know what the end game of having a for-profit model actually is, but I have a hard time believing it results in better service.

Generally, the higher the ridership, the less the government has to pay for it, but in the end they still have to pay for it.

 

[p_xavier]

The REM is still getting a subsidy from the ARTM, though.

I don't know what the end game of having a for-profit model actually is, but I have a hard time believing it results in better service.

Generally, the higher the ridership, the less the government has to pay for it, but in the end they still have to pay for it.

It's not really a subsidy, ARTM are paying the CDPQi for the service rendered, same as other transit agencies. Just the cost paid is not the same depending on the kind of service. For the REM and some metro lines, a profit is technically made running the service (will be soon for the REM even it hasn't paid itself for infrastructure yet). Bus service loses money except the 747 line and exo lines are bleeding red. The more you add buses or trains for higher ridership, the higher your losses are in this case.

This is usually because public projects are not optimised on efficiency but on complaints from a few actors in the public. Basically it all started with, you spend an average of this money per user per km in general, we (CDPQi) can make money with that amount through optimisations and with partners that can make money from it (HQ, feds and province). I know lots of participants on this forum say that transit is a social service, but there are limits of always paying for overbloated projects that in the end doesn't optimised anything. You have a sensitive project like the REM de l'Est and oh no, mayor Plante says it would be an urban scar. Well they won't have anything now. Good job mayor of mobility. Good job...

 

[dowlingm]

It's not really a subsidy, ARTM are paying the CDPQi for the service rendered, same as other transit agencies. Just the cost paid is not the same depending on the kind of service. For the REM and some metro lines, a profit is technically made running the service (will be soon for the REM even it hasn't paid itself for infrastructure yet). Bus service loses money except the 747 line and exo lines are bleeding red.

what is % cost recovery between MTL modes? GO Transit used to be very high (north of 75%) but I haven’t seen published figures in years

 

[NoahB]

TGV Québec-Toronto : MacKinnon veut « augmenter la cadence »

De passage à Paris, le ministre fédéral des Transports veut réduire de 8 à 4 ans la phase de planification et développement.

ici.radio-canada.ca

Federal Transport Minister Steven MacKinnon is hoping to speed up Alto's design process and start construction in 2030 for initial service in the mid-2030s.

 

[Thaboss]

TGV Québec-Toronto : MacKinnon veut « augmenter la cadence »

De passage à Paris, le ministre fédéral des Transports veut réduire de 8 à 4 ans la phase de planification et développement.

ici.radio-canada.ca

Federal Transport Minister Steven MacKinnon is hoping to speed up Alto's design process and start construction in 2030 for initial service in the mid-2030s.

I could see a construction start in 2030s happening. I cannot see initial service of mid 2030s happening.

 

[NoahB]

Someone posted on Reddit a bunch of images for the Deux-Montagnes branch.

They dont seem anaywhere else on Google so I assume credit goes to LockJaw987.

Here they are:

Île Bigras Station

Bois-Franc Station

Côte-de-Liesse station

Côte-de-Liesse station

Mont-Royal Station

McGill Station

Édouard-Montpetit Station

 

[KhalilHeron]

They pulled off the modern white transit station aesthetic a lot more elegantly than the Crosstown. No real surprise though.

 

[Thaboss]

They pulled off the modern white transit station aesthetic a lot more elegantly than the Crosstown. No real surprise though.

Did they really though? I think these interiors look exceptionally drab and boring. And I much prefer the exterior design of crosstown stations. That being said, i much prefer the technology used on rem so montreal wins that battle in my head

 

[p_xavier]

Deux-Montagnes branch of the REM opens on November 17th as per CDPQi.

 

[KhalilHeron]

Did they really though? I think these interiors look exceptionally drab and boring. And I much prefer the exterior design of crosstown stations. That being said, i much prefer the technology used on rem so montreal wins that battle in my head

I mean I think both are pretty drab and boring being mostly white and glass but theres a lot more details and different quality materials than on the crosstown. It does really fall short of the Metro and i doubt the stations will age all that well.