Dan416
Senior Member
It probably just seems that way because they're spread out all across Toronto and Peel (and to a lesser extent, York)
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It probably just seems that way because they're spread out all across Toronto and Peel (and to a lesser extent, York)
khris
Senior Member
Wow you guys are off topic.
Do any MT buses have bicycle racks?
Do any MT buses have bicycle racks?
RedRocket191
Senior Member
The installation process has begun. A few buses have been spotted with brackets installed.
doady
Senior Member
New sevice changes have been posted: http://www.mississauga.ca/file/COM/InTransit_18MAY2009.pdf
Summary
19 - no change in frequency, 11 minutes
19A - reduced rush hour frequency, midday service cancelled
19B - new route, replaces 67/19A; service to Port Credit
- combined frequency of all route 19 buses remains the same: 5.5 minute during rush hour, 7 minute during midday, etc.
- combined frequency of 19A/19B same as current 19A, which is the same as the main 19
102 Crosstown Express - new route, rush hour only between CCTT and Shopper's World, 18 minute frequency
- combined 9 minute frequency for 102/202
63 - cancelled
10 - improved Sunday service
No other significant changes as far as I can tell. Kinda disappointing that the midday overcrowding on the 19 will not be fixed. The 102 should have off-peak service.
Summary
19 - no change in frequency, 11 minutes
19A - reduced rush hour frequency, midday service cancelled
19B - new route, replaces 67/19A; service to Port Credit
- combined frequency of all route 19 buses remains the same: 5.5 minute during rush hour, 7 minute during midday, etc.
- combined frequency of 19A/19B same as current 19A, which is the same as the main 19
102 Crosstown Express - new route, rush hour only between CCTT and Shopper's World, 18 minute frequency
- combined 9 minute frequency for 102/202
63 - cancelled
10 - improved Sunday service
No other significant changes as far as I can tell. Kinda disappointing that the midday overcrowding on the 19 will not be fixed. The 102 should have off-peak service.
Dan416
Senior Member
Is anyone actually taking these new routes? It seems to me by changing them all the time they make it hard for people to catch on.
drum118
Superstar
This is one of the poorest changes todate and shows staff is out of touch how people travel and use MT.
The 102 is the fore runner of Brampton Transit Acceleride and lets see what it does to the 202 that carries next to no one to/from Port Credit now.
Staff job is to continue to confuse riders and get them into cars.
The 102 is the fore runner of Brampton Transit Acceleride and lets see what it does to the 202 that carries next to no one to/from Port Credit now.
Staff job is to continue to confuse riders and get them into cars.
Dan416
Senior Member
If the "pre-rapit transit" routes are performing so poorly, does that mean we're on the wrong track when it comes to LRT?
RedRocket191
Senior Member
drum118
Superstar
LRT is on part of the track if you live south of Sq One, but forgets about riders from Sq One to Britannia.
102 and 202 are different than the BRT. The BRT will service more stops than these 2 routes.
25,000 riders today and 70-90,000 by 2031 are numbers you need to look at now, not 30 years down the road.
If you look the Hurontario from Mayfield to Lake Shore, the section from Queensway to Eglinton can support LRT today.
LRT drives development faster than BRT.
If you look at the ridership of 19A, very rare you will see a crush load let alone a peak bus going north from Sq One. Ridership fall off at Eglinton to the point you have next to no riders at Bristol.
Ridership of 19A going south of Britannia is less than 10 when it hit Hurontario if that. As it moves south, ridership picks up to off peak loads even at peak time. There are times it can be at peak to crush load by the time it hits Sq One and that cause by whole wide range of things.
Based on numbers for Brampton, BRT is all that is needed now and 20 years down the road. If it was LRT, it would help to redevelop Main Street faster to support it.
One needs to start looking at the back end cost as well going to green to see if BRT or LRT is the right choice, not front end cost.
From number I has seen and used for the 403 BRT, LRT out weight BRT over a 30 year cycle from day one to a tune of $250 million in cost saving.
doady
Senior Member
I am surprised they did not expand the loop of the 19A to make up for the upcoming cancellation of the 25. The 19A should loop around Traders instead of Brunel. This probably would have been a good time to extend and realign the 39 as well...
Yeah, Mississauga been built out for years now and so they shouldn't make so much changes anymore. At least they should make routing changes only when new maps come out (September and January). Even the 45 is outdated on the current map...
Still, I think some of the new routes have good ridership, especially the 35 and 110. But no doubt the way MT spreads out the service improvements and constantly try (and fail) to fix their own mistakes hurts ridership a lot.
Yeah, Mississauga been built out for years now and so they shouldn't make so much changes anymore. At least they should make routing changes only when new maps come out (September and January). Even the 45 is outdated on the current map...
Still, I think some of the new routes have good ridership, especially the 35 and 110. But no doubt the way MT spreads out the service improvements and constantly try (and fail) to fix their own mistakes hurts ridership a lot.
doady
Senior Member
City of Mississauga Moves on Improving Transit With Purchase of 57 Buses
May 13, 2009
Today, Council approved the purchase of 57 buses to sustain Mississauga Transit's fleet and expand numbers to meet the goal of its Ridership Growth Strategy.
"Mississauga Transit's fleet currently has 400 buses and this purchase will add 20 Bus Rapid Transit style buses, 15 standard hybrid 40-foot buses and 22 of the longer articulated buses," said Martin Powell, Commissioner of Transportation and Works. "We are committed to meeting our five year Ridership Growth Strategy goals and the City's strategic goals of developing a transit-oriented City, connecting our communities and Living Green."
Powell explained the cost of the 57 buses is approximately $38 million. The $18.7 million purchase of the 22 Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) style buses is funded by the Ministry of Transportation in 2008 as part of the MoveOntario 2020 quick Win projects for the Dundas and Hurontario corridors. Funding from the Federal Gas Tax Program, Provincial Bus Replacement Program and Development Charges will also be used.
Bus Features
The 57 buses will be equipped with security cameras and are expected to arrive in August of 2010. Three styles of buses are being purchased.
BRT Style Buses (40-foot)
These buses use clean diesel technology and feature aerodynamic fronts, seamless glass sides, high back comfortable seats, LED lighting and power for laptops. The buses will be used on the pre-BRT express network on the following routes:
• 101 Dundas
• 102 Dundas
• 109 Meadowvale
• 110 University
Standard Hybrid Buses
These 40-foot buses use new technology and deliver the best fuel savings when operated at low speeds and will be used on routes with frequent stops.
BRT Style Articulated Buses (60-foot)
The BRT style buses use clean diesel technology and can accommodate more than 50 riders for high volume routes.
Mississauga is Canada's sixth largest city with a population of more than 700,000. With well-established infrastructure and state of the art facilities, the City is considered to be an employer of choice, delivering quality municipal programs and services to its citizens. Mississauga is a dynamic, diverse, and progressive municipality, known for its economic strength and for being Canada's safest city.
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Media Contact:
Catherine Monast
Team Leader Media/External Communications
905-615-3200, extension 5046
catherine.monast@mississauga.ca
TTY: 905-896-5151
May 13, 2009
Today, Council approved the purchase of 57 buses to sustain Mississauga Transit's fleet and expand numbers to meet the goal of its Ridership Growth Strategy.
"Mississauga Transit's fleet currently has 400 buses and this purchase will add 20 Bus Rapid Transit style buses, 15 standard hybrid 40-foot buses and 22 of the longer articulated buses," said Martin Powell, Commissioner of Transportation and Works. "We are committed to meeting our five year Ridership Growth Strategy goals and the City's strategic goals of developing a transit-oriented City, connecting our communities and Living Green."
Powell explained the cost of the 57 buses is approximately $38 million. The $18.7 million purchase of the 22 Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) style buses is funded by the Ministry of Transportation in 2008 as part of the MoveOntario 2020 quick Win projects for the Dundas and Hurontario corridors. Funding from the Federal Gas Tax Program, Provincial Bus Replacement Program and Development Charges will also be used.
Bus Features
The 57 buses will be equipped with security cameras and are expected to arrive in August of 2010. Three styles of buses are being purchased.
BRT Style Buses (40-foot)
These buses use clean diesel technology and feature aerodynamic fronts, seamless glass sides, high back comfortable seats, LED lighting and power for laptops. The buses will be used on the pre-BRT express network on the following routes:
• 101 Dundas
• 102 Dundas
• 109 Meadowvale
• 110 University
Standard Hybrid Buses
These 40-foot buses use new technology and deliver the best fuel savings when operated at low speeds and will be used on routes with frequent stops.
BRT Style Articulated Buses (60-foot)
The BRT style buses use clean diesel technology and can accommodate more than 50 riders for high volume routes.
Mississauga is Canada's sixth largest city with a population of more than 700,000. With well-established infrastructure and state of the art facilities, the City is considered to be an employer of choice, delivering quality municipal programs and services to its citizens. Mississauga is a dynamic, diverse, and progressive municipality, known for its economic strength and for being Canada's safest city.
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Media Contact:
Catherine Monast
Team Leader Media/External Communications
905-615-3200, extension 5046
catherine.monast@mississauga.ca
TTY: 905-896-5151
khris
Senior Member
Great news. Does anyone know who's building them, and what they'll look like?
APTA-2048
Senior Member
The BRT buses should be the New Flyer LFA (advanced style BRT bus model): D40LFA and D60LFA. The 40 foot HEVs could be the New Flyer DE40LFR or the XDE40 Xcelsior.
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drum118
Superstar
It will not be Orion for sure.
NFI is the only team in MT plans.
Other than the Hybrid, it will be what we have today with some upgrading.
khris
Senior Member
Beginning June 22, 2009, bike racks will be available on all Mississauga Transit buses.
Each rack can hold two conventional bicycles with wheels that are at least 16 inches (41 cm) in diameter. No additional fare is required to use them.
Customers are responsible for loading and unloading their bicycles.
Find out more about using bike racks on Mississauga Transit buses.
Each rack can hold two conventional bicycles with wheels that are at least 16 inches (41 cm) in diameter. No additional fare is required to use them.
Customers are responsible for loading and unloading their bicycles.
Find out more about using bike racks on Mississauga Transit buses.