epcjay
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Its free to park at Fairview even for TTC users after 9:30. $3.50 before 9:30.
Source: I park at Fairview to take the subway every once and a while
How do you park there for 3.50? It's $6 in the main lot
Its free to park at Fairview even for TTC users after 9:30. $3.50 before 9:30.
Source: I park at Fairview to take the subway every once and a while
You can't call it LRT. Just call it new subway cars for sheppard. Anything to avoid the transfer. Anything to avoid backlash.
It's an interesting idea that I've heard before, but would it be less of a hassle to lower the platforms at the existing Sheppard line stations than introduce a new LRV type?
Also, can the Sheppard tunnels fit an LRV?
It kind of sucks for the people who live along there to have to take buses for a few years in order to convert their subway into essentially a subway with narrower vehicles, but maybe if you package it along with the very long eastern extension it can be sold. It's still a really difficult sell though, similar to the SRT conversion.
I would like to see it done in the long term since the Sheppard East LRT will go much further east than any subway probably will within 20 years. However, how do you justify the cost of the conversion given that we need to fund many more transit lines? (DRL, Eg & Finch Phase 2) I'm assuming here that even high floor LRT conversion will be expensive. Maybe the conversion can happen after the SE LRT is done? Or maybe the SE LRT can simply run at grade over the subway(joking.. or am I?)
Right but it's all in the way you market it. People in Scarborough apparently do not like any form LRT.It will be LRT, because it will run partially in street-median. Actually, it will be pretty similar to some higher-end LRT implementations in other cities.
And, the per-km cost will be in the LRT range, much cheaper than subway.
Right but it's all in the way you market it. People in Scarborough apparently do not like any form LRT.
Scarborough is getting so much transit in the future plans: Danforth/McCowan subway extension, Eglinton east LRT, Sheppard East LRT.
If they really do hate LRTs, maybe we should be focusing on other parts of the city first: Eglinton LRT West extension, Finch W LRT, DRL or another North-South line like Jane or Dufferin.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/12/12/more_good_advice_on_transit_but_we_dont_listen_hume.html#
His rejection of the Eglinton Crosstown (“speed of a streetcar, at costs . . . not much less than a full subway”) and the Finch and Sheppard LRTs (“fashion accessories”) is painful, but appropriate.
1-Eglinton should be 100% grade separated using automated trains to save operation costs and boost the line ridership which was grossly underestimated by the TTC . I disagree revisiting the choice of vehicles since the tunnels are already being made to accommodate the Flexity Outlook specs
2-Finch West can easily be accommodated by BRT for a fraction of the cost
3a-Their recommendation on Sheppard won't work since the Scarborough subway is pretty much a done deal. Flip flopping on that one again with Federal money involved would be beyond a catastrophe for Toronto and cripple our credibility in demanding future Federal assistance in Transit projects.
3b-They clearly demonstrate that Sheppard LRT will be overkill for the avenue in its current form and that the wrong system was chosen by the TTC (purposely?). They chose not to compare at grade LRT to ALRT (light metro) for that line which would have been the most cost effective option and would have had an impact at reducing gridlock and getting motorists to switch to transit. They called SELRT slow and unlikely to attract that much ridership in its current form. Furthermore, they heavily criticized the methodology used by the TTC to arrive to the concluusion that SELRT was the best choice for the corridor. They even found the 2007 study where those who made the LRT study weren't even hiding that LRT was a tool to reshape the corridor instead of actually improving transit. Their recommandations is to upgrade Sheppard LRT to full grade separated ALRT and eliminate a few stops to increase the speed and convert the Sheppard subway as well...which won't likely.
3c-Due to the Scarborough subway, the SELRT ridership is expected to drop even further west of McCowan. Sinking 1 Billion dollars is pure waste and could be use to build a BRT an reallocate the balance to upgrade Eglinton by elevating the Eastern part
The whole idea is based on the hope that the subway closure can be brief, no more than 6-8 weeks before it reopens as high-floor LRT. Then it can be done in summer time when the demand is lower. If the required closure length is a few years, or even 6 months, then I think it is a non-starter; we should just accept the transfer.
No harm in people transferring. Rather put the conversion money elsewhere.
I think it's unfair to think that way. Most people in Scarborough hate Eglinton and Sheppard east LRT, not all of them. Dismissing their skepticism over the projects however is warranted and it's wrong to think the way you do just because you don't agree with it.
The Neptis report did ripped appart Transit City as a whole for good and legitimate reasons. Even Christopher Hume who's an LRT champion had this to say:
Without going back to the report in details, this was my post about what I retained from report:
It will be LRT, because it will run partially in street-median.
Nope. Not LRT. It's street-safe subway cars. A little wider than Montreal's subway cars but with pantographs, mirrors, and something over the wheels![]()