I'm going to give it a try today
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nfitz
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What routes and directions were that?From yesterday.
smuncky
Senior Member
First trip was EB on a 504. Second trip was WB on 504.
nfitz
Superstar
It does indeed look like they've just instituted a simple 2-hour transfer, with no restrictions.
Though we've seen an example between 90 and 120 minutes. Has anyone had one over 120 minutes, to see what the limit is? Most agencies are using 120 minutes, but GO used to use 150 minutes, and later extended it to 180 minutes.
Though we've seen an example between 90 and 120 minutes. Has anyone had one over 120 minutes, to see what the limit is? Most agencies are using 120 minutes, but GO used to use 150 minutes, and later extended it to 180 minutes.
crs1026
Superstar
One wishes they would just come clean about this, and save who knows how much programming time trying to "improve" on it.
There ought to be a way for TTC to present to Council where they get credit for being innovative and progressive, and get some budget money for the loss of revenue - as that is likely the more cost effective method. This may be a matter of willpower and internal culture.
- Paul
There ought to be a way for TTC to present to Council where they get credit for being innovative and progressive, and get some budget money for the loss of revenue - as that is likely the more cost effective method. This may be a matter of willpower and internal culture.
- Paul
bennessb
editor at large
I can't wait for this to be universal on streetcars so I don't have to carry backup tokens.
nfitz
Superstar
Given that Metrolinx promised they would and could implement the current TTC transfer system, and TTC estimates it would cost $20 million to go to a 2-hour transfer - then I'd think that if Metrolinx has failed on this, then TTC would be looking for a $20 million a year rebate on their Presto fees.
I haven't seen a streetcar since Saturday that wasn't active. It must be pretty close to universal right now. Have you seen many?
smuncky
Senior Member
I saw a few ALRVs on the 501 not have it activated this past weekend.
Every 504 car I've been on so far had it activated. Same with 509.
I'd also guess that it'll be 100% by the end of the year.
bennessb
editor at large
Andy Byford claims end of the year. The 505 has been hit and miss. I used my last token yesterday and I'm mostly hoping that I wont need to buy any more, but it still feels like a bit of a gamble.
from dec 17 press release:
TOareaFan
Superstar
100 or so on December 17....and they also said that they are adding 10-15 to that per day......so, even if that was limited to work days....they would be at 130 - 145 by now out of the 230....the odds of needing a token to ride a streetcar are shrinking all the time.
crs1026
Superstar
True, this. And if so, ML should be coughing up the cash. I wonder what the actual cost of this functionality is. It isn't static, either....the transfer rules will have to be maintained as routes change. Once this little 'secret' gets out, you can be sure people will be using it. If this ends up as an embarrassing headline in the newspaper, TTC and ML have made their bed. Popcorn, please....
- Paul
TOareaFan
Superstar
maybe it is not a mistake...maybe it is a controlled experiment to try and see what the true cost is.....are, for example, the lost return fares made up by people making more of these short return trips, likely at off peak hours when there is capacity, to do errands as opposed to walking to avoid a fare.....it could be a test to figure out how accurate their modeling on this subject is.
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I was wondering about the impact today, as I did a streetcar to subway run to College today, went to an appointment and then returned home. I just managed to get everything done within the two hour window, so I only paid one fare, whereas normally it would have cost me two. So, the TTC has lost a fare. However, I often would have walked home, and I regularly walk to do errands. So, in the long run, will I end up using the TTC more because of the two hour window and eventually spend more money with them than in the past or will they get less of my money because I can often do errands within two hours?
Or, should I be going after the TTC for the impacts to my health because I'll walk less???
Or, should I be going after the TTC for the impacts to my health because I'll walk less???
crs1026
Superstar
TOareaFan, That's quite possible, especially if they go ahead with a daypass style cap on daily fares that could make the added usage more attractive.
If they are dragging their feet to avoid signing up for expensive programming, and the hard position helps them negotiate with ML, good on them.
- Paul
If they are dragging their feet to avoid signing up for expensive programming, and the hard position helps them negotiate with ML, good on them.
- Paul
nfitz
Superstar
LOL - I've noticed that since they finally fixed the short-turning problem on the 506 since Labour Day, I'm getting noticeably less exercise!