hawc
Senior Member
What did Smitherman stand for again? What was his platform?
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Love/Hate Ford
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jje1000
Senior Member
E-health.
Seriously though, he was a more moderate version of Rob Ford (without the outbursts and with more reasonable ideas).
Seriously though, he was a more moderate version of Rob Ford (without the outbursts and with more reasonable ideas).
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TrickyRicky
Senior Member
The kind of one liner e-health has become is exactly what is wrong with politics today. (P.S. I like Smitherman less than Ford but more than John Baird). The IMPLEMENTATION of e-health is scandalous. The actual intent of the program is precisely about more efficient delivery of service. You know, saving money and providing good government. When we confuse the issue we seem to be saying that productivity improvements are intrinsically bad because they are government related. No, we should be encouraging, insisting, that government become more productive even if it means expenditures in the short-term.
I don't want to use the word hate, but I dislike Ford immensely as mayor. I dislike him as a leader because he is clearly a very immature individual. I say this as someone who has no problem with privatization and containment of government largesse. The ends however does not justify the means. Always remember that regardless of the vision you have for the future be it from the left or the right.
I don't want to use the word hate, but I dislike Ford immensely as mayor. I dislike him as a leader because he is clearly a very immature individual. I say this as someone who has no problem with privatization and containment of government largesse. The ends however does not justify the means. Always remember that regardless of the vision you have for the future be it from the left or the right.
Bogtrotter
Senior Member
I can respect someone and still disagree with their ideology and politics. This guy, well 'immature' is a polite word.
Marko
Active Member
Being one of those 905ers, my hunch is that support for Ford is no different out here than it is in the Toronto suburbs where he polled very well. That's not to say everyone supports him, as not everyone in those Blue areas if the 416 supports him - but let's not forget that not everyone in those Red zones voted Smitherman either. Ford had modest support even in the core, though clearly not as much as Smitherman or Pantalone did.
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Eug
Senior Member
Ford's popularity has dropped, but it was still at 57% in June. I suspect it's still in the same ballpark.
Personally I think he's an obnoxious boor, but unfortunately, we may need someone like him to shake up the left-dominated system. And no I didn't vote for him. I voted for Smitherman, who is right of Miller but still left of centre (or at most centre).
So, for the poll I voted "Too soon to tell".
Personally I think he's an obnoxious boor, but unfortunately, we may need someone like him to shake up the left-dominated system. And no I didn't vote for him. I voted for Smitherman, who is right of Miller but still left of centre (or at most centre).
So, for the poll I voted "Too soon to tell".
Anth
Active Member
This is exactly why he was elected with what's probably the strongest mandate ever won by a Toronto mayor. Sometimes the dirt's piled so high you need a bulldozer to clear it.
UT loves its intellectuals, but they often make the worst leaders--especially in difficult times. Waffling, narcissistic, tin-eared, obsessed with their legacy...
jje1000
Senior Member
I agree that things need to shaken up, but charging ahead/backwards blindly is not something I'd recommend. I'd say the best mayor would combine both traits of the left and right- strongwilled, but willing to think before acting.
Tacoma
Active Member
I don't see Ford as immature as much as I see him pushing his agenda through because he knows he has the authority to do so and you don't and we all know it. He's managing the City as a hard nose Executive would in a corporation and I've seen worse in a corporation. If this is immaturity, then many highly paid Executives are equally if not more so.
Long Island Mike
Senior Member
Rob Ford's Support: From the Outer Boroughs...
Everyone: I found this map quite interesting because it looks to me like Rob Ford's support came from the "Outer Boroughs" of the old Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto
and George Smitherman's support was exactly in the original City of Toronto...
LI MIKE
Everyone: I found this map quite interesting because it looks to me like Rob Ford's support came from the "Outer Boroughs" of the old Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto
and George Smitherman's support was exactly in the original City of Toronto...
LI MIKE
Electrify
Senior Member
If there is any silver lining, it is that north Scarborough voted NDP in the last election, and north Etobicoke (aka: the capitol of Ford Nation) voted Liberal. So there is hope...
Also worth noting that these two ridings also saw their transit projects cut as well...
Torontovibe
Senior Member
^^ I wonder if most of the Ford supporters on here are also living in the burbs?
Torontovibe
Senior Member
You don't see Ford as immature? Really? Did you see the "Fat Fuck" video or the interview with the CBC? Really?
SlickFranky
Active Member
UT also loves its fact checkers....
1997
Mel Lastman 387,848 51.7%
Barbara Hall 346,452 46.2%
2000
Mel Lastman 483,277 80.0%
Tooker Gomberg 51,111 8.5%
2003
David Miller 299,372 43.3%
John Tory 263,184 38.0%
Barbara Hall 63,748 9.2%
2006
David Miller 332,969 57.0%
Jane Pitfield 188,932 32.3%
2010
Rob Ford 383,501 47.1%
G. Smitherman 289,832 35.6%
By which measure was Ford elected with the "strongest mandate ever won by a Toronto mayor"?