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Let down by downtown

I never give to beggars, even slickers with marketing backgrounds who carry signs. I'm tempted to carry my own sign, saying "STINGY", for whenever I meet them.
That's always been my approach, if everyone in Toronto, I mean everyone, stopped giving money to beggars for 12 months, they'd move on. It's the same as bears, feed them once and they'll be back, leave them be, and they'll sort themselves out.
 
Sometimes I'll give if they are elderly and obviously struggling. Anybody young and/or able bodied- no way.
 
That's always been my approach, if everyone in Toronto, I mean everyone, stopped giving money to beggars for 12 months, they'd move on. It's the same as bears, feed them once and they'll be back, leave them be, and they'll sort themselves out.

That's the spirit! If we ignore the homeless, it's like they're not there at all.
 
That's the spirit! If we ignore the homeless, it's like they're not there at all.
I know I sounds callous, but I don't mean to, but what are we doing to help by giving a few coins to some homeless guy, regardless of what he does with it. He'll be there tomorrow, and the next day, and thus your money did nothing to help his situation, other than perhaps to buy him a coffee that day.

Meanwhile, the word gets out that Toronto is an easy mark for begging, not just by homeless folks of obvious mental affliction, but also of your generic street kid. Remember how the sqeegee (sp?) craze took off, when at one time no one sqeegied your car, and then they were on every street corner. Now they're mostly gone, primary due to better police enforcement AND people refused to pay.

If everyone in Toronto for one year said no to giving to beggars, and instead gave that money and a little more to the United Way or a similiar organization that helps people, the beggars and the city would be better off, and you'd still get to feel good that you've helped someone.

I think it's time for the Province to get back into the shelter business. We've got people from all of the province, if not country coming here, out of luck and desperate, and hoping to find shelter in Toronto's homeless-support industry (and it is an industry). It's not Toronto's place to guarantee housing to its residents. Thus the higher levels of government should help these folks. No Andrea, I know Harper and John Tory (or whomever will run the Ontario PCs next election) definitely won't do it, but neither did any of the Liberal or Ontario NDP regimes. In fact, IIRC, it was the NDP that shut down many of Ontario's mental health institutions, thus releasing hundreds of fragile people onto the streets of Toronto to starve or beg thus depending on the sometimes misguided charity of others.
 
It doesn't just sound callous, it IS callous. Though no one who has read your posts expects anything other than meanspirited Harperite claptrap from you.
 
It doesn't just sound callous, it IS callous. Though no one who has read your posts expects anything other than meanspirited Harperite claptrap from you.
...and your alternative to dealing with begging in our city is? Keep in mind, I'm not saying we should ignore the homeless, in fact I've said all levels of government should help find them shelter. Homeless and beggar are not the same, as all beggars are beggars, but not all beggars are homeless.
 
I would take it a step further my making it illegal to give money to homeless people. If you're caught giving a homeless person spare change, you get a $50 fine that goes directly to the United Way. Every dollar given directly to a homeless person gives them one extra reason to stay on the streets, freeze in the winter, remain a nuisance, and remain an unproductive burden on society.

If every last penny given to homeless people was put directly into the construction of shelters or into improving the services needed to get homeless people back on their feet, we'd be much more effective at tackling the problem.
 
/end serious

Unless homeless people will be hired to administer this new fine, might as well scoop them all up and turn them into soylent green, or maybe mulch for the City Beautiful flowerbeds.

/serious
 
How do other cities in democratic nations deal with street begging? I've been to NYC a few times in the last 3-4 years, and was very impressed with the almost complete lack of beggars. Same for Barcelona, Madrid, London (UK), etc.
 
from what i hear from nyc locals, the city shooed them off to other parts of the city.

i agree with your post, abeja. unfortunately, sometimes people use your argument as an excuse to not give or do anything whatsoever. that would be wrong as well.
 
I'm not saying we should ignore the homeless, in fact I've said all levels of government should help find them shelter. Homeless and beggar are not the same, as all beggars are beggars, but not all beggars are homeless.

I see. So you think that something should be done to help people in need, but you refuse to do anything yourself to help. You're going to wait for someone else to do it for you.
 
I love how people turn statements around to mean something competely different in an attempt to discredit them.
 
Hey Andrea, can you read? This was in the same post:

If everyone in Toronto for one year said no to giving to beggars, and instead gave that money and a little more to the United Way or a similiar organization that helps people, the beggars and the city would be better off, and you'd still get to feel good that you've helped someone.
 

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