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King-Queen-Roncy Intersection/ROW

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From link.

March 31, 2021 to July 21, 2021


Monday to Friday, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. (additional hours as needed)


  • KQQR Intersection
  • The Queensway: KQQR intersection to Parkside Drive
  • Queen Street West: KQQR Intersection to Triller Avenue

Work​


  • Watermain replacement and sewer relining: Please refer to work details listed in Advance Work.
  • TTC and road work (outer lanes): Work crews will undertake the following work: TTC pole replacement, overhead wire removals and installation, track work, (lighting, platforms, curbs etc.), retaining wall installation, road reconstruction (base, curb gutter, sidewalk)
  • Bridge rehabilitation: Work crews will repair The Queensway bridge at Parkside Drive (outer lanes).
July 22, 2021 to April 2022


Monday to Friday, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. (additional hours as needed)


  • The Queensway Median: Parkside Drive to Sunnyside Avenue
  • Beaty Boulevard Park: southwest corner of KQQR intersection
  • King Street West: KQQR Intersection to approximately 100 m south thereof

Work​


  • Watermain replacement and sewer lining: Please refer to work details listed in Advance Work.
  • TTC and road work (inner lanes): Work crews will undertake the following work: TTC pole replacement and overhead wire installation, track work, (lighting, platforms, curbs etc.), road reconstruction (base, curb gutter, sidewalk)
  • Streetscape work: Work crews will undertake streetscape improvements at Beaty Boulevard Park.
  • Bridge rehabilitation: Work crews will repair The Queensway bridge at Parkside Drive (inner lanes).
April 2022 to August 2022


Monday to Friday, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. (additional hours as needed)


Roncesvalles Avenue: Queen Street West to Dundas Street West


Work​


  • Watermain replacement and sewer relining: Please refer to work details listed in Advance Work.
  • TTC and road work Queen Street West to Harvard Avenue: Work crews will undertake the following work: TTC pole replacement, overhead wire removals and installation, track work, (lighting, platforms, curbs etc.), road reconstruction (base, curb gutter, sidewalk)
  • Harvard Avenue to Dundas Street West: Work crews will undertake the following work: Platform upgrades for accessibility
 

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Probably not until the new trackwork contract is signed, so......2 years?

Dan
I had always assumed that each track-work project was handled by a separate contract and even if there is one 'master contract' for track-work (or only special track-work?), it seems odd it cannot be amended to get better (more appropriate) switches. I though that track was supposed to last ca 20 years so track laid today should still be functional in 2041, when we will (hopefully) be on the NEXT generation of streetcar.
 

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I had always assumed that each track-work project was handled by a separate contract and even if there is one 'master contract' for track-work (or only special track-work?), it seems odd it cannot be amended to get better (more appropriate) switches. I though that track was supposed to last ca 20 years so track laid today should still be functional in 2041, when we will (hopefully) be on the NEXT generation of streetcar.

TTC major maintenance is planned many years (sometimes a decade) in advance. They also like to bundle small-jobs into larger contracts for economies of scale. For streetcars, this tends to be 5 year periods. It seems rare for them to do a single piece tender; or if they do perhaps the price is low enough it doesn't need to go to the board for approval.

Here's an example from 2012:

 

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So much shooting the area weekly and what happen to the Sewer Lines that was to be built before the tracks being install??

All the concrete will be pour for the intersection as well on Queen St.

I see everyone has miss the off setting of tracks for King and Roncesvalles. Walking Roncesvalles to the site, the tracks look off set to the existing ones and must be seeing things. The southbound tracks for the intersection is about 1+ foot off set to the west and the northbound about 6 inches.

The king tracks are totally off set to the point you would think TTC is going to put the tracks in the south curb lane and then move it back to the centre at the bend to the east. Most likely a S connection for the new area to get back to the centre to match the current tracks.

Not much happening from Sunnyside Loop to Park Land other than traffic switching back and forth. All traffic is mostly in the eastbound lanes now..

I guess the next section to be done is connections to the yard and building the ROW up to Sunnyside Loop.

More up on site.
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Why does it look like the track goes to a dead end?
 

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Why does it look like the track goes to a dead end?

i think it just looks that way because they're changing the angle of the curve

look at the one photo with the tracks pointed right at the manhole cover... before that was in-between the tracks... so the tracks are like 5ft off their original point so a certain POV would lead you to believe it's going nowhere

they're just making the turn from queensway into king sharper at 2 points instead of 1 continuous curve so it won't look normal until they build the rest of the track.
 

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Why does it look like the track goes to a dead end?
Because its on a new angle and cannot be extended at this time until the traffic is removed off the current off ramp. The ramp area is being remove so a new intersection with a standard corner can be built with wider sidewalk. Once traffic is moved to Queen St, the existing King St road and tracks will be torn up to create an S type connection from the current stub tracks to the King track to the east. It most likely be the fall before the changes can take place.

You also got the New ROW on the Queensway to be built that will become mix traffic at the yard switches area that will have impact on the new King S construction.
 

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I had always assumed that each track-work project was handled by a separate contract and even if there is one 'master contract' for track-work (or only special track-work?), it seems odd it cannot be amended to get better (more appropriate) switches. I though that track was supposed to last ca 20 years so track laid today should still be functional in 2041, when we will (hopefully) be on the NEXT generation of streetcar.
The last 20 years or so, the TTC has instead been signing 3-to-5 year trackwork contracts to a single supplier. It seems that its been working out better this way than the previous ad-hoc basis, as now there isn't a situation where you have a single, different supplier for a very limited amount of equipment (Erikson trainstops, anyone?), but rather a critical mass of maintainable stuff. And keep in mind that they have changed the supplier at least once in that timeframe.

There is absolutely a clause where by they can order specialty trackwork components on a one-by-one basis as needed - the special switches that they've installed on a test basis at College/Lansdowne and the Ex both fall under this category. But these new designs also need to be tested thoroughly to ensure that they will meet the rigors of the service that the TTC places on them.

And since it seems that it needs to be repeated.....there is nothing inherently wrong with the current switch design. It's used in lots of other places around the world. They are simple, robust and reliable. What does need to be fixed - no, replaced - is the control system that powers them.

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And since it seems that it needs to be repeated.....there is nothing inherently wrong with the current switch design. It's used in lots of other places around the world. They are simple, robust and reliable. What does need to be fixed - no, replaced - is the control system that powers them.

If there is nothing wrong with the current switch design, why are there slow orders at every intersection? Also, why is it that more than one streetcar at a time is not permitted to cross special work?
 

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Because its on a new angle and cannot be extended at this time until the traffic is removed off the current off ramp. The ramp area is being remove so a new intersection with a standard corner can be built with wider sidewalk. Once traffic is moved to Queen St, the existing King St road and tracks will be torn up to create an S type connection from the current stub tracks to the King track to the east. It most likely be the fall before the changes can take place.

You also got the New ROW on the Queensway to be built that will become mix traffic at the yard switches area that will have impact on the new King S construction.
Thanks
 

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If there is nothing wrong with the current switch design, why are there slow orders at every intersection? Also, why is it that more than one streetcar at a time is not permitted to cross special work?
The reason that has been stated multiple times on her is that there is no signalling sytem in place to tell, the driver waht diretction a switch is set so they have to stop and check that it is in the right direction for travel before porceding through. The reason for not wanting to have two cars go through an intesection with switches atside by side is incase one car derails it won't damage the other one.

There are two types of switches in the network powered and unpowered most of the unpowered ones are either trailing switches or are ones that aren't used often service. The power ones are not controlled from a central location like the ones on the subweay netrok and on the LRT newteok will be they are instead controlled by the driver. The overhead for a power switch has a sign that says and an arrow indicating the direction that the switch can be set to NA stands for necessary action and tell thy driver that they need to use an onboard device to indicate to the controller under the street that they need the switch changed. If it doesn't work or didn't return to the normal direction after a stretcar has used it then the driver needs to change it manually.
 

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