Sorry if I don't take your word for it. According to the City of Mississauga, as recently as a month ago, the Transitway Station will be located at CCTT. Why on earth would they locate two BRT stops within a kilometre of eachother, when the latter stop location is presently just an offshoot of the highway with no immediate density nor demand?
And perhaps that is why I proposed another transitway station? Similar to the final transitway plan...
This is a
temporary plan. Notice the lack of a transitway between Erin Mills and City Centre, and east of Winston Churchill? And so the missing Churchill Meadows and Creditview stations are also missing.
Are you kidding me? The 7/107 will overlap with the Transitway east of Dixie Road.
And exactly how will the riders the 7 connect with BRT services going west? What about the connection the other bus routes at CCTT?
They're going through the exact same area. It is more convenient for 107 riders to transfer from the ACC then @Hurontario anyway.
107 is not the only transitway route that needs connections.
You're also not comprehending what would take place with a Kingsbridge Terminal. There'd be no more 35 Eglinton bus. Only a 34 Eglinton West looping via Kingsbridge Cir and a 7 Eglinton East bus looping via Sorento and Elia. How can this be you ask? Because the demand level for through trips across Eglinton are not high enough to justify such services. That's why the 89 is rush-hour only. That's why the 35 bus is so infrequent, that unless one memorizes the schedule it's virtually useless to most average users.
The 35 and 89 are very busy. There is a reason why the 89 uses articulated buses. The 35 less busy simply because it is a new route.
The 7 and 34 are only busy because they serve Square One. And yet you propose to take them out of Square One.
You have yet to convince me that a one-minute ride on a subway to connect the two points is worse then the 4-5 minutes it presently takes to do the same excursion via bus.
It seems to me that you are not a transit rider if think forcing transfers for such a short distance is not a big deal.
Ever tried commuting down Hurontario in a hurry to connect to a bus at CCTT, knowing that if you miss it you'll be stranded for another 20 minutes til the next bus arrives?
That's anywhere in the city, really. CCTT is bad only because of long-winded routing. If you want to facilitate transfers, the routes have to be direct, not long winded routings like your LRT.
So you have to rationalize customers taking an inferior transit mode into CCTT
Without that inferior transit mode, the CCTT would pointless.
Comparing this to Sheppard is apples to oranges. I'm actually eliminating a trasnfer because you'd have people get off at Rathburn/Hurontario then await another bus to connect to CCTT.
Why would riders along Hurontario need to get to CCTT if all the buses at CCTT can or already connect with Hurontario easily elsewhere?
Or worse have them walk it over.
Why would riders along Hurontario need to get to CCTT if all the buses at CCTT can connect with Hurontario easily elsewhere?
What I'm proposing is a more efficient system.
A long-winded underground diversion to a reduced CCTT is not exactly what I call efficient.
No I don't think you're understanding me at all. I never said to eliminate bus servce from anywhere.
Oh really? What was that you were saying about the 7, 34, 35, 68, 89 just now?
The beauty of the LRT subway is that irrespective of the local bus schedules, people can still get to where they're going around MCC area without worry.
Except if they are working in one of those office buildings along Robert Speck of course.
And I just explained above how the 89 and 107 seamlessly connect to the Transitway further east.
The 107 is a transitway route.
And I never called for any change in the routing of the 89, or the 35 for that matter.
If the Transitway were to also veer north to say Meadowvale Town Centre a la the 109, then riders of the 34 (or express equivalent) would have direct access on that end.
The 109 is a transitway route.
Of course no commuter wants to connect to the Transitway for the sale of the Transitway.
I think the riders of the York University buses and the 110 would beg to differ.
[quote[They just want faster commutes which Kingsbridge Terminal provides for them by shaving 12 minutes off commutes from not entering, unloading, reloading, driver changing, departing @CCTT. [/quote]
No they want direct connection to the transitway, Square One, and the other CCTT routes. Your Kingsbridge terminal does not provide any of this.
You recognize that it has a function and prupose, and you even state that "People are there for reason and they (have) got (to get) there somehow" yet you do not want the Huronatrio LRT to have a direct link to it? Why?
The CCTT is there to connect the transitway routes and connect between regular routes. If Hurontario LRT can connect to all these routes elsewhere, then it does need to serve CCTT. It is as simple as that.
"Infrequent bus connections to Kingsbridge and Eglinton." What now? Per my proposal no one would be subjected to infrequent bus connections to either destination. Both would be directly accessible via the underground LRT line. I fail to see how buses connecting at Kingsbridge would be infrequent nonetheless. Given the four local routes (7, 34, 35, 68) being consolidated into 3 plus an express route (89) there could be buses departing Kingsbridge every 2 minutes or better peak and in many instances non-peak. How's that infrequent?
You are the one who labeled them "infrequent", not me. The 7, 34, 35, 89 already provide a combined 5 minute frequency during rush hour. And the ridership is high. And yet you are the one called for major changes to these routes, not me.
I never said to take out the bus feeders from MCC. If anything this is their express, limited stopping counterpart.
So basically the Hurontario LRT should be designed as a limited stop feeder route?
B/thrope/Kariya has a lot of office workers too.
Honestly I don't see how the diversion would serve office workers better considering most are located along Hurontario which you want to divert the LRT off of.
City Centre/DOY ditto along with civic services that most Mississaugans will desire a reliable link to.
If that would true, then the western MCC routes would be much busier.
I did consider two alternate routes into CCTT, one serving RS but with the 3, 8, 26, 53 and 76 all running by that intersection it is not completely necessary.
I could say it is not necessary for the LRT to serve western MCC if it is already served by 6, 9, 26, 28, 61.
Like you said, one route cannot serve the entire area adequately, neither can one station at RS fully cater to the office towers further down along RS or along City Centre Dr.
Without the Robert Speck station, your diversion undoubtedly serves offices workers worse, so I don't know what you are trying to argue here. A diversion be mostly for residents in the condos, which are concentrate around Duke Of York.
Stop distorting my arguments!! A station at CCTT is physically closer to the mall than a RS station would be. Please consult a map.
They are all actually the same distance, except for the one on Burnhamthorpe which is the farther. But the RS fastest to get to.
Again, your diversion does not serve Square One any better. okay it has two stops serving Square One, but only is needed. Two is redundant.
Riiiiiiiiiight. Like riders of the Hurontario/Main corridor want to withstand an unnecessary transfer point when it's relatively easy to just veer the LRT line around the mall and back again.
What unnecessary transfer point?
Aside from you own forced transfers for the riders to the 7 and 34 of course.
It adds a minute for two or through customers admittedly, but it saves 5-10 minutes for people seeking the mall, the city hall or offices at Kariya from not having to wait for and ride the 3, 8, 26. And yes these lines would still serve CCTT, but only now they wouldn't be customers only options. One of the biggest problems with the 202 bus is that it bypasses the MCC area. People want fast transit yes, but it most connect to some nodes/trip generators en route.
The problem is 202 bus is that it is too infrequent the stops are in poor location. The Robert Speck stop for example is too far from Robert Speck. And that combined with lack the connection with the transitway routes, reduces ridership a lot. This wouldn't be a problem with any LRT.
