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High Speed Rail: London - Kitchener-Waterloo - Pearson Airport - Toronto

From today's financial update

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rbt said:
HSR is not an immediate fiscal challenge, that's a problem for the next premier. Ford will string along anything he believes will get him a vote, and possibly find ways to defer paying for it out 10+ years from today.
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Yeah, I think this is the one file that they will continue along in the exact manner of the previous government. As you say, any spending on this can be deferred for a long time (some might say forever) the Wynne led Liberals got two full elections out of having this promise out there (one was a winner one was a loser but I don't think anyone blamed HSR for the loss).
 
https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...eded-under-c6bn-via-rail-investment-plan.html

ViaRail but I found this part interesting:

[Chief Via Rail Executive Yves Desjardins-Siciliano] also suggested that the province of Ontario would confirm its intent by April next year to proceed with construction of a new alignment for passenger trains between Toronto and London. While this has been referred to as a high speed line, Desjardins-Siciliano suggested that the maximum operating speed would ‘not be much more than 200 km/h’, reflecting a need for inter-city trains to stop at least every 100 km to serve a densely populated region. ‘At present we are dependent on using freight trackage, but infrastructure in North America is fundamentally unsuited to passenger rail operations.’

He believed that some private sector funding would be needed to complete the second phase between London and Windsor. ‘Canada is attractive to institutional investors because of its economic health and geopolitical stability. Canadian pension funds have already invested in rail infrastructure projects around the world.’
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The way he is talking about this is like the HSR for Ontario will somehow be involved with Via. Like Via will operate it or be in partnership. Or maybe he is just speaking off hand about another project unrelated to VIA. Either way its weird to hear him speculate about this.
 
robmausser said:
https://www.railwaygazette.com/news...eded-under-c6bn-via-rail-investment-plan.html

ViaRail but I found this part interesting:



The way he is talking about this is like the HSR for Ontario will somehow be involved with Via. Like Via will operate it or be in partnership. Or maybe he is just speaking off hand about another project unrelated to VIA. Either way its weird to hear him speculate about this.
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Love this part: "Canada is attractive to institutional investors because of its economic health and geopolitical stability. Canadian pension funds have already invested in rail infrastructure projects around the world."

So if that is the case, then why are Canadian Pension Funds so timid and or afraid of investing in Via/HSR rail network? It really makes one ponder what is the issue and what is preventing them from doing so if they are so much more inclined to fund overseas projects.
 
Here's a video about why China is so good at building railways and a brand spanking new HSR network within the span of two decades. It's a nice summary of what is going over there and makes one think about where we (provincially and nationally) are in terms of focus.


ahem *political will*
 
yrt+viva=1system said:
Love this part: "Canada is attractive to institutional investors because of its economic health and geopolitical stability. Canadian pension funds have already invested in rail infrastructure projects around the world."

So if that is the case, then why are Canadian Pension Funds so timid and or afraid of investing in Via/HSR rail network? It really makes one ponder what is the issue and what is preventing them from doing so if they are so much more inclined to fund overseas projects.
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This guy ought to be persuaded to help

EXPRESS INTERCITY PASSENGER RAIL SYSTEM TO BECOME VIRGIN TRAINS USA


- Paul
 
yrt+viva=1system said:
Here's a video about why China is so good at building railways and a brand spanking new HSR network within the span of two decades. It's a nice summary of what is going over there and makes one think about where we (provincially and nationally) are in terms of focus.


ahem *political will*
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China's political system is simply much better suited for doing megaprojects effectively and efficiently. If the central government wants something done, it gets passed down to lower level governments like an order.
 
nirvanafc said:
China's political system is simply much better suited for doing megaprojects effectively and efficiently. If the central government wants something done, it gets passed down to lower level governments like an order.
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And they can print money like it is nothing.
 
robmausser said:
The way he is talking about this is like the HSR for Ontario will somehow be involved with Via. Like Via will operate it or be in partnership. Or maybe he is just speaking off hand about another project unrelated to VIA. Either way its weird to hear him speculate about this.
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Sounds like my idea I mentioned a few years ago. Add a small token 225kph(ish) section to a mostly 177kph network, use some bullety EMUs, and call it HSR for marketing's sake.

It'd still be effectively HFR, but with the bare minimum tweaks necessary to be able to toot it as HSR. Essentially 90% HFR speeds with a 10% HSR sprint. Or thereabouts. Wouldn't cost much more, yet be actually potentially more attractive to marketing Canada as having HSR.

(Also, this would also provide a potential upgrade path to a fuller HSR down the road).
 
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