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Harper Involved in Possible Bribery Scandal

I have a question...

Those MPs that cross the floor who receive plum cabinet posts ie. Stronach, Brison, Emerson. Were they not 'bribed' to change their vote with an offer of a cabinet post? Its all a matter of semantics and how you interpret what is said and in what context. If there is evidence of a 'bribe' as defined in the criminal code, then charges should be laid. Again, this is just another liberal media story to deflect from the Liberals inaction in Parliament and Dion's lack of leadership. You can spin this story any way you like but those charges won't stick and most of you know it. But your hate-on for Harper and the Conservatives clouds your judgement. One more thing... how long will it take the book to hit the top 10 bestsellers list? If this story never made the headlines, how long would it take for this book to hit the discount table?
 
The attempts to distract are endless... The attempt to equate a completely open and transparent shift of allegiances to the government side, followed by an equally open appointment to cabinet, with a secret meeting where money or the expectation of money is offered such that no one will ever know, in order to persuade an MP to change his vote, is patently absurd.

Oh, and I've also met Harper, but I guess I'm a little less proud of it.
 
If I had essential information or positioning, and a company wanted me to leave my current job and join their firm, AND if I had a critical illness, then I'd demand a life insurance policy as an incentive, especially if my current insurance policy would expire as soon as I left the current job.

If Cadman thought this was a big deal, he should have gone to the media. Instead, we've got Cadman himself, on national TV telling us that he was offered nothing, and now his wife is using hearsay to claim otherwise. Someone told him, and he told me, and now I'm telling an author, who's now telling us...is a few too many degrees of separation for me.
 
But your hate-on for Harper and the Conservatives clouds your judgement.



Does a hate-on for Liberals cloud judgement as well?



Just a little curious.
 
Of course not, Hydrogen! It's a sign of wisdom.

I love it. The liberal media. Like the National Post!

Time for an answer, Mr. Harper
PM is the one inflicting damage to his reputation

Don Martin, National Post

now his wife is using hearsay to claim otherwise.

Yeah, hearsay and a tape recording of the Prime Minister saying he knew about it.
 
Stronach, Brison, and Emerson weren't on their deathbeds and weren't blatantly offered a million dollar policy for a switcharoo.

Also, Stronach and Brison appear to have been more genuine switches because the Liberals lost the minority government and they've stuck with their new party choice.

Also, the Stronach and Brison switch occurred after a major Canadian political change. The Progressive Conservative party ceased to exist, the new Conservative party is a joining of the PC and Reform/CRAP party.

After this significant change, Stronach and Brison decided this party wasn't for them, especially after Stronach lost the leadership post and realized the Conservative party went sharply right wing.

So if you want to compare, yes, there is a huge difference between the Cadman circumstance and two individuals switching party after a signifcant Canadian political movement changed.

The two comparisons are null and void and moot at best. Hilarious you'd bring their switches into comparison. Shows how empty the comparison is. Instead the argument is muddied into something that has no bearing: blaming the "liberal" media? LOL That's not an argument, especially since its that "liberal" media that caused the liberal party to lose the last election and that same media that hounded them out of a majority using sponsorship as the headline every single night for a few years.
 
I always found bashing Brison for switching to be the most baffling of all. The guy's party got dissolved, he tried to become a member of its successor party (a very different institution), but found it to be intolerable. He switched to another party that much more closely matched his own ideology, and that of his old party.

Stronach had been explicitly told by the leader that she "Had no future in this party." I mean, what do you expect her to do after that? It goes to show Harper's petulance. Despite their years of hatred and feuding, Chretien would never have said something like that to Paul Martin.

Just as a comparison, Emerson had just been elected as a Liberal literally days before. He was enticed specifically with a cabinet post (after Harper went absolutely hysterical when Stronach was given a ministry) while he was still a minister in Martin's cabinet. That's not to say that I don't blame the guy. It's quite a betrayal, but it's somewhat legitimized by the fact that he said he was a "Paul Martin Liberal."
 
Spin spin spin spin spin....

Cadman planned to run again despite cancer: Conservatives


BRODIE FENLON
Globe and Mail Update
March 10, 2008 at 3:47 PM EDT

Independent MP Chuck Cadman intended to run again for office in May 2005 – despite battling cancer that claimed his life two months later, the Conservatives say.
The Harper government came under fire again Monday in the House of Commons by opposition MPs who demanded to know what the Tories offered Mr. Cadman when they tried to woo him before a crucial budget vote that threatened to bring down the Liberal government of Paul Martin.
The Liberals dismissed as fiction the Tory explanation that two party operatives offered the dying MP a chance to rejoin the Conservative caucus and secure the riding nomination with a promise they would provide any financial help he might need to get re-elected.
“He didn't need a Conservative nomination,” Liberal deputy leader Michael Ignatieff said Monday during Question Period.


“He wasn't going to run. He didn't need their help. How long do they keep repeating these stories? No one believes them. So I ask you again, what financial considerations were offered to Mr. Cadman and his family?” he demanded.
“Mr. Cadman was going to run again,” responded Conservative MP James Moore, parliamentary secretary of public works and the government's point person on the contentious file.
“The only offer that was put on the table was the offer, as I said, to rejoin the Conservatives, get re-nominated as a Conseravtive, and that we would offer him any financial support that was necessary and mandated by Elections Canada – allowed by Elections Canada – to seek re-election.”
Mr. Cadman's widow, Dona, has said two Conservatives offered her husband a $1-million life insurance policy in exchange for his vote against a Liberal budget in 2005. Mr. Cadman voted instead with the government, which survived the vote. He died two months later.
In a taped interview recorded in September 2005, Prime Minister Stephen Harper told British Columbia journalist Tom Zytaruk he was aware that an offer had been made to Mr. Cadman but said "it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election."
“Canadians have still not been told what those ‘considerations' were,” said Mr. Ignatieff. “Mr. Cadman and his family had legitimate financial concerns about what would happen after [his] death and it just seems obvious that the Conservatives made an offer to address those concerns.”
The Prime Minister's Office has denied that any Conservative offered Mr. Cadman a million-dollar life insurance policy but has refused to say that no financial benefits were ever held out in exchange for his vote.
When The Canadian Press asked Sandra Buckler, the communications director for Mr. Harper, if anyone connected with the party had ever offered Mr. Cadman the policy, Ms. Buckler replied: "I categorically deny it."
That is the furthest a member of the Prime Minister's staff has gone to date in disputing the allegations of Mr. Cadman's widow, her daughter and her son-in-law.
But Ryan Sparrow, a Conservative Party spokesman, declined in six e-mail exchanges with The Globe and Mail to state that no Conservative official had ever offered a financial inducement of any kind to Mr. Cadman.
And late last week, Ms. Buckler also balked at making that kind of blanket denial – even when it was made clear that financial benefits were not being interpreted to include the campaign funds that the Conservatives admit they were prepared to give the dying MP.
The Globe and Mail asked Ms. Buckler to confirm that "no representative of the Conservative Party at any time offered Chuck Cadman a financial benefit in exchange for his vote [understanding] ‘financial benefit' to mean anything but help with a possible election campaign."
She twice refused, saying only that "the CP story is accurate" and that her "comment to CP stands."
With a report from Gloria Galloway
 
PM's suit seeks $2.5M from Liberals
Mar 13, 2008 01:28 PM
bruce campion-smith
Ottawa bureau chief

OTTAWA—Prime Minister Stephen Harper is following through on his threat to sue the federal Liberals for $2.5 million because of accusations, posted on the Liberal party's website, that he knew of "Conservative bribery."
The lawsuit — a statement of claim was served today — is a response to the "defamatory" statements made by the Liberals, Harper spokesperson Sandra Buckler said.
"He's doing what any other person with integrity would do to defend himself and his family," she said.
Harper served formal notice earlier this month on Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion and several other Liberal MPs that he would sue for libel unless they retracted their claims.
At the centre of the lawsuit is the controversy over allegations that Conservative party officials used financial incentives to win the support of Independent MP Chuck Cadman before a May 19, 2005, confidence vote.
In the earlier notice, Harper lawyer Richard Dearden had demanded that the Liberals remove two articles from the website that implied the prime minister knew about the alleged offers to Cadman.
He also sought an apology from Dion, to be posted in French and English, "that the Prime Minister acted ethically, morally, and legally and retract the statements we made to the contrary."
"These malicious and reckless defamatory statements impugn the reputation of Prime Minister Stephen Harper," Dearden wrote.
The Liberals refused to back down and accused Harper of trying to "bully" them into silence.
Today, the prime minister followed up on his threat to sue with the statement of claim, seeking $2.5 million in damages.
If he's successful, any financial award would go toward payingthelegal costs of the suit, now being financed by the Conservative Party.
Any money left over would be donated to charity, Buckler said.

Excuse me? Did the Liberals sue Harper after he accused Paul Martin of being supportive of Child Pornography? At least the Liberal accusations have some basis to it.

But I guess when Tories spit out lies, it's all fine and dandy.
 
Excuse me? Did the Liberals sue Harper after he accused Paul Martin of being supportive of Child Pornography? At least the Liberal accusations have some basis to it.

But I guess when Tories spit out lies, it's all fine and dandy.

LOL! Its easy for people to forget how the Conservatives have played dirty tricks all along, and now that a legitimate claim is made against them they cry like a bunch of babies.

Classic Conservatism? That's your decision. ;)
 
Let us not forget Mr. Cadman

:confused:
The Cadman affair appears to have lost some stream considering how notorious the matter is! The libel court action suggests that both widow, daughter and son in-law of the late Mr. Cadman will have to be involved as they are the ones who partly instigated this "money for something", offered up by the current Harperites , as a scandal to be dealt with.
The fact that our very own Harper sounds dubious on tape leads me to believe that this all ain't over till the fat lady sings and i also hope that main stream media does not tire of the up coming news about this sleazy matter, it should be put out there for public viewing.
 

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