ssiguy2
Senior Member
Being able to use your debit card is convenient but will is stop being deducted as soon as you hit the monthly pass rate?
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GTHA Transit Fare Integration
- Thread starter RedRocket191
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littlewill1166
Active Member
That's something for the TTC board. In the back end, it's already set up for weekly capping after 10 trips.
drum118
Superstar
nfitz
Superstar
I'd be more believing that it will happen, if the TTC spokesperson didn't refer to it as "welcome news". If it's news to him, what does the rest of the management and the board know about implementation and funding?
Dan416
Senior Member
This can't come soon enough. It would help me. Although it may make me too lazy to walk up from Union to Yonge & Dundas if I know the TTC doesn't cost me extra anymore.
afransen
Senior Member
This is pretty much the idea of the Ontario Line trying to intercept people at Exhibition and East Harbour and deliver them further north, to take pressure off of Union.
enter username
Active Member
I wonder how fare integration will work with GO's $10 and $15 weekend pass... I hope they start automatically capping weekend fares so you don't have to check if your trip is worth it
nfitz
Superstar
All these exceptions to fares, where simply tapping your Presto is no longer the cheapest option is annoying. What stops GO simply doing daily rate-capping on Saturdays and Sundays?
Sandpit
Active Member
IIRC the Presto system can only do daily, weekly OR monthly capping, and they chose monthly.
rbt
Senior Member
Presto has a number of technical constraints driven by the tiny on-card storage and software written for the original tap box which was low power and needed to calculate the fare within a small amount of time (a small fraction of the total tap time: read and write time dominated). A substantial code refactoring would be needed to make it more generalized: so developer time.
But... they could just drop Presto as a stored-value mechanism and treat it the same as a debit card instead. This eliminates nearly all of their legacy Presto complications, and also means they only need to write that mechanism once for all cards.
littlewill1166
Active Member
Development for that is happening right now. An account-based system is currently being used for PRESTO in Google Wallet. Physical PRESTO cards should be transferred over to the account-based system as well.
Singapore did something similar with their EZ-Link cards last year. But unlike the system in Singapore, account-based PRESTO cards are capable of displaying the cost of the fare, the balance on the card, and the remaining travel window when the reader has an internet connection.
nfitz
Superstar
Originally perhaps, but my understanding is that one of the requirements for TTC to come on board, was to be able to do both daily and weekly capping. Though GO has certainly made an epic of their multi-step monthly capping - perhaps that screws up the ability to do a second type of capping.
Weren't one or two of the GTA agencies doing 2 types of capping? I can't find the table that used to be on the Presto website.
LNahid2000
Senior Member
Pretty sure the weekend passes are online only by design as a form of price discrimination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination
I still see tons of people tapping their Presto cards on trips where it would be cheaper to buy a pass.
I still see tons of people tapping their Presto cards on trips where it would be cheaper to buy a pass.
futurebound
New Member
Ontario Newsroom
news.ontario.ca
The government is going to give the TTC the ability to integrate fares between neighbouring systems, also giving municipalities new ways to collect funds for GO station construction.
chrisw
Active Member
Interesting, I missed that among all the news about the station contribution fee. It's like a small side note.
This legislation amends the City of Toronto Act, Subsection 395 by adding to it. Something about the TTC union possibly not allowing fare integration because of it being classified as contracting out.
Background, City of Toronto Act, Section 395, subsection (1)
City of Toronto Act, Section 395 https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/06c11#BK543
Bill 131, Transportation for the Future Act, 2023,
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I didn't realize that the TTC needed legislation to allow it to make its own cross boundary service agreements. And I wonder if the provincial government is going to do more for fare integration than just let Toronto negotiate with other transit services.
This legislation amends the City of Toronto Act, Subsection 395 by adding to it. Something about the TTC union possibly not allowing fare integration because of it being classified as contracting out.
Background, City of Toronto Act, Section 395, subsection (1)
Additions
City of Toronto Act, Section 395 https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/06c11#BK543
Bill 131, Transportation for the Future Act, 2023,
Transportation for the Future Act, 2023
Bill 131 from Parliament 43 Session 1 of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario: Transportation for the Future Act, 2023.