pattyrick
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No, the 15 has been around for quite a while. The new segment is the Brantford - Six Nations/Mississaugas of the Credit leg.
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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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nfitz
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Other than the missing page ...
I'm surprised the express only saves 5 minutes, eastbound, cutting 4 stations running express east of Bramlea. Well 7 minutes now, as they've padded all the non-express schedules by 2 minutes between Bloor and Weston - presumably for Mount Dennis station. I guess no one told Metrolinx that it's not opening until September.
anb
Active Member
They didn’t mention a lot of things from that initial article.
On top of what we knew already:
- New 12D route stopping at St Catherines Fairview Mall, Niagara College, and the 2 stops in Niagara itself.
- Most route 30 trips will now extend to Highway 407 terminal, basically reinstating the old 25F in a way.
- 32 will no longer head to York Mills and will start/end at Finch station.
- 48 will now stop at the Regional Rd 25/Hwy 401 P&R in Milton
- 67 will now stop at Bloomington GO
A couple other things to mention is that the current 90 min gap on the Kitchener line eastbound train leaving Bramalea to Union at 6:24PM->7:56PM, is now a 30 minute and then 60 minute one. It now goes 6:28PM->6:58PM->8:00PM which is a massive improvement overall.
There is also a train starting from Malton to Union at 10:34AM so now there is consistent 30 min service from the 6:04AM train all the way to the 4:36PM trip. Going westbound from Union, there are only 2 time slots that still need trains for the line to be fully 30 min service all day, one at 10:04AM and the other at 11:04PM.
On top of what we knew already:
Service Related Updates
Check this page to see if there are any current delays on GO Transit.
www.gotransit.com
- New 12D route stopping at St Catherines Fairview Mall, Niagara College, and the 2 stops in Niagara itself.
- Most route 30 trips will now extend to Highway 407 terminal, basically reinstating the old 25F in a way.
- 32 will no longer head to York Mills and will start/end at Finch station.
- 48 will now stop at the Regional Rd 25/Hwy 401 P&R in Milton
- 67 will now stop at Bloomington GO
A couple other things to mention is that the current 90 min gap on the Kitchener line eastbound train leaving Bramalea to Union at 6:24PM->7:56PM, is now a 30 minute and then 60 minute one. It now goes 6:28PM->6:58PM->8:00PM which is a massive improvement overall.
There is also a train starting from Malton to Union at 10:34AM so now there is consistent 30 min service from the 6:04AM train all the way to the 4:36PM trip. Going westbound from Union, there are only 2 time slots that still need trains for the line to be fully 30 min service all day, one at 10:04AM and the other at 11:04PM.
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ARG1
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stevensontransit
Active Member
I've just checked out most of those changes and sadly they are largely the same except for some seasonal summer services. They also must be forgotten on restoring pre-pandemic service on the 16 QEW bus to fully 7 days a week including rush hours. That route has been very popular that it just goes non stop between toronto and hamilton and riders prefer that route because they don't make stops in between!
LNahid2000
Senior Member
One thing I don't like about the new weekend schedule is that I can no longer connect from the GO train to bus 33 at Brampton GO on weekend afternoons. My sister lives near Hurontario/Bovaird so that's what I'd usually do with a weekend pass, but now I'll have to pay extra for Brampton Transit.
ack
New Member
The "new" 10:34 trip from Malton is actually a regression, as it replaces the 10:22 from Bramalea. Makes for a new one-hour gap at Bramalea from 9:56 to 10:58, right before the existing one-hour gap at all stations.
KawarthaTransiteer
New Member
Somehow, they've been able to cut service even further on the already extremely infrequent 88. This is after they removed one weekday trip last April; they got rid of the trip that would leave Trent University at 05:40, and connect with a train that arrived at Union at 08:42.
They're getting rid of one weekend trip (what currently is trip 88821), and are pushing the previous trip back by 30 minutes to compensate for the soon-to-be cancelled trip (on trip 88801, from leaving Trent University at 19:07 to leaving at 19:39).
I'm not sure how impactful cancelling this one trip will be whenever they have to bustitute train service, as they claim. As far as I know the 88 is still being operated the Oshawa Garage, meaning that about half a dozen buses are still making a 90 km deadhead between Peterborough and Oshawa on a daily basis.
If I can just give my two cents here, this is just another slap to the face to transit-dependant people in Peterborough (which includes me, though not right now as I currently am in Hamilton). Yes, I do realise it's just one trip that's being cut, however I feel like it's a symptom of Metrolinx/the province focusing on a brand and public perception, rather than on actual practical service or the well-being of their staff. Alongside cancelling that trip on weekdays (which realistically was the only sane trip for Downtown Toronto commuters), they converted 3 trips on weekends to operate express as the 88C. As I use the stop on Crawford Drive that express trips bypass and go down into Bowmanville regularly, it was a massive gut punch to realize that I'd have to rely on 3 hour frequencies on weekends.
It's even worse for Bowmanville and Newcastle, as they used to get regular GO bus service (about every 30 minutes on weekdays, and hourly on weekends), and now frequency is down to anywhere between every 1 to 3 hours. Also especially considering that there's quite a lot of development around the Bowmanville GO station area. Though at least DRT provides decent, regular service on the 902.
They're getting rid of one weekend trip (what currently is trip 88821), and are pushing the previous trip back by 30 minutes to compensate for the soon-to-be cancelled trip (on trip 88801, from leaving Trent University at 19:07 to leaving at 19:39).
I'm not sure how impactful cancelling this one trip will be whenever they have to bustitute train service, as they claim. As far as I know the 88 is still being operated the Oshawa Garage, meaning that about half a dozen buses are still making a 90 km deadhead between Peterborough and Oshawa on a daily basis.
If I can just give my two cents here, this is just another slap to the face to transit-dependant people in Peterborough (which includes me, though not right now as I currently am in Hamilton). Yes, I do realise it's just one trip that's being cut, however I feel like it's a symptom of Metrolinx/the province focusing on a brand and public perception, rather than on actual practical service or the well-being of their staff. Alongside cancelling that trip on weekdays (which realistically was the only sane trip for Downtown Toronto commuters), they converted 3 trips on weekends to operate express as the 88C. As I use the stop on Crawford Drive that express trips bypass and go down into Bowmanville regularly, it was a massive gut punch to realize that I'd have to rely on 3 hour frequencies on weekends.
It's even worse for Bowmanville and Newcastle, as they used to get regular GO bus service (about every 30 minutes on weekdays, and hourly on weekends), and now frequency is down to anywhere between every 1 to 3 hours. Also especially considering that there's quite a lot of development around the Bowmanville GO station area. Though at least DRT provides decent, regular service on the 902.
nfitz
Superstar
With the end of University of classes in a couple of weeks, it may be best to wait until after Labour Day to judge whether those are bus cutbacks or not.
anb
Active Member
It’s probably the mindset of them thinking that all day service to West Harbour is sufficient enough for most Toronto-Hamilton riders. Obviously that isn’t the case as the station is still a 20 min walk from the downtown and the train ride itself is currently almost 90 mins.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
tsm1072
Active Member
If they ran the train as a super-express only stopping in Burlington, Oakville, Port Credit, Exhibition, and Union, expect the trip could cut down to close to 60 minutes. That align with improved HSR service to West Harbour (as planned) should make it a pretty good hub for Hamilton with connections both to Toronto and St. Catherine's/Niagara.
ownthesky
Active Member
Hamilton's plan once LRT gets into the ground is to use West Harbour as the downtown bus hub with buses arriving and leaving West Harbour every few minutes and then scooting down James St. Essentially, if you need to get down James St into the core of Hamilton's dense area, you will not need to wait at all because of the dozen parallel bus routes using it as a corridor. With fair integration, people are obviously welcome to walk, but a free bus that is arriving every few minutes will be a good offer. Ditto when the tram is running every few minutes upon reaching King.
Eventually feeding the entire mountain suburbs' bus lines into West Harbour, as the city wants to do, could also be a compelling option for folks that want to skip the ever-worsening LINC->403->Aldershot commute.
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Sunnyside
Senior Member
It is a good plan, I will give it that. But it will unquestionably make James (and by extension, Upper James) a matter of discussion for transit improvement. The street is already a key auto corridor, for better or worse, and a significant number of bus routes already use James for getting to MacNab Terminal and Hunter St GO. I would say shut it down to cars and make it one transit-only lane in each direction (with wider sidewalks and other pedestrian improvements), but realistically speaking, It's going to bring the A-Line into the fold. You won't be able to cram all downtown buses, plus cars and trucks, onto James without some infrastructure. Making West Harbour the hub is still the right move, but adding the LRT into the fold will push James to the limit.
Without diverting discussion too much, what to do on James street is a difficult question unto itself, but it affects regional travel to and from Hamilton. And I can say that I'm not the only one who has concerns about whether we can implement any sort of A-Line, so this is not just pure speculation: Surface RT is not a very practical option. Transit-only lanes will compromise automobiles, even if it's only on James for all the feeder routes. But, if you grade-separate to avoid that (or even stomach the lane reduction and just use LRT for trunk capacity), you'd have to go all-in and climb the escarpment to intercept those mountain routes before they go down the Jolley Cut. So it's either a half-measure in the core that will see major pushback, or an extremely expensive option we go all-in on. Or, of course, do nothing- but as I've said, that won't do for very long.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Why is it that the transit apps don't mention the Hamilton express as an option to get from Hamilton to Union station?