GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

[SkylineHorizons]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887535738088268223

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CPKC right now;

 

[WB62]

Lots that we could speculate about until we hear more from the PCs and if anything happens at all

To your reply I will say the Bolton Line has been worked on for multiple years now, and will likely happen regardless of the next government or if GO 2.0 comes to fruition.

 

[ARG1]

We need to close off this discussion. Its not going well, and its leaving a very negative impression of you, with me and many others.

You're misrepresenting my view and making bad faith arguments without supporting evidence for no reason.

I have never been disrespectful to you, but I mostly certainly feel disrespected by you.

My patience is at an end.

My goal is to not show disrespect, but rather to focus on the argument and what has been said. I'm not perfect at this, but whenever I post anything on this forum I try to always look past the author and simply focus on what is being said. I personally don't believe in the idea of personal merit unless the person has shown a high level of authority on a particular subject matter. I try to be as author neutral as reasonable and only ever focus on what is being said, rather than who is saying it.

That being said I want to quickly address this:

I bus every 6 minutes is normative on a dozen routes or more in Toronto, it is not justification for a subway, that begins when you bus is every 2M

Now I actually must apologize in that I actually completely missed this specific line you wrote. This is 100% a my bad and I do want to sincerely apologize for this. Part of my anger is that you put so much emphasis on the 1400 capacity trains that it really felt like you were using it as some sort of standard for what you want to expect from a bus corridor, because ignoring that line:

Bus capacity (non-artic) is 51.

A subway replacing that is 1,400 (really more like 1,000, but I digress)

How do you justify 20x (or more) the capacity, assuming the subway ran only every 6M?

If the subway ran at off-peak frequency in line w/current Line 1 standards (every 4M) ....you're looking at 30x the capacity or more....

This really feels like you're making the argument that the bus must meet, or at least be close to this level of demand before we can start discussing a subway.

 

[Northern Light]

My goal is to not show disrespect, but rather to focus on the argument and what has been said. I'm not perfect at this, but whenever I post anything on this forum I try to always look past the author and simply focus on what is being said. I personally don't believe in the idea of personal merit unless the person has shown a high level of authority on a particular subject matter. I try to be as author neutral as reasonable and only ever focus on what is being said, rather than who is saying it.

I think I've established my bona fides on what I know is going on behind the scenes....... as well as many technical aspects of projects. But lets leave it at that. You will have your own take.

This really feels like you're making the argument that the bus must meet, or at least be close to this level of demand before we can start discussing a subway.

I'm not arguing against a subway here. I am arguing for building it better; and for using any line north of Steeles as leverage to force York Region to step up and invest in its transit system properly, instead of the shambolic 1/2 effort it puts forward today.

 

[reaperexpress]

This argument about Yonge North subway alignments is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. Regardless of whether we consider the Yonge North realignment to be good or bad, @Northern Light 's point still stands that the Ford government failed to deliver on their promise of quickly and affordably building rapid transit.

They made several decisions that should have accelerated construction and reduced costs, such as bringing the DRL/OL up to the surface east of downtown and realigning Yonge North, but for whatever reason, timelines and costs have continued to spiral out of control regardless.

My guess is that the politicians were unaware of how much Metrolinx's bureaucracy was bogging down projects. They have the power to force Metrolinx to stop creating roadblocks for its own projects, but I think it's only recently that it is becoming clear where the cost overruns are coming from.

 

[turbanplanner]

This argument about Yonge North subway alignments is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. Regardless of whether we consider the Yonge North realignment to be good or bad, @Northern Light 's point still stands that the Ford government failed to deliver on their promise of quickly and affordably building rapid transit.

They made several decisions that should have accelerated construction and reduced costs, such as bringing the DRL/OL up to the surface east of downtown and realigning Yonge North, but for whatever reason, timelines and costs have continued to spiral out of control regardless.

My guess is that the politicians were unaware of how much Metrolinx's bureaucracy was bogging down projects. They have the power to force Metrolinx to stop creating roadblocks for its own projects, but I think it's only recently that it is becoming clear where the cost overruns are coming from.

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Which bureaucracy are we OK getting rid of?

I get jerking around homeowners is a bad look and nobody would advocate for that, but then we have even with all their considerations scenarios where cars will be covered with dust every day in the neighbourhood, construction people taking all of the street parking, etc.

 

[WB62]

Here’s a map I made on the proposed Bolton Line:

I’ll make a map on the proposed reroute of the Richmond Hill Line later.

 

[T3G]

Not GO's fault, but utter nonsense nonetheless.

 

[SkylineHorizons]

Not GO's fault, but utter nonsense nonetheless.
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What are we even looking at? Would be nice if you could explain things further, especially since the photo does not seem to be loading properly - when I click on it(on mobile), it just zooms in on a corner of the photo and I can't* zoom out.

 

[sixrings]

What are we even looking at? Would be nice if you could explain things further, especially since the photo does not seem to be loading properly - when I click on it(on mobile), it just zooms in on a corner of the photo and I can zoom out.

The snow isn’t shoveled between the sidewalk and the door boarding.

 

[T3G]

^that

Also, I don't know what I can do about the formatting as it loads fine on my phone. Maybe check your adblocker or a script blocker to see if it isn't blocking some element of the site?

 

[rbt]

The snow isn’t shoveled between the sidewalk and the door boarding.

But it is: there's a snow-blower pass to the right of the footsteps.

 

[SkylineHorizons]

^that

Also, I don't know what I can do about the formatting as it loads fine on my phone. Maybe check your adblocker or a script blocker to see if it isn't blocking some element of the site?

Well in any case as we see from the enhanced photo above his point of criticism was wrong - there is litterally a snowblower pass right there.

 

[sixrings]

My neighbours driveways are heated. So this never happens. Maybe this is what we need on these side of the road stops in the middle of nowhere.

 

[T3G]

But it is: there's a snow-blower pass to the right of the footsteps.

Well in any case as we see from the enhanced photo above his point of criticism was wrong - there is litterally a snowblower pass right there.

????

My neighbours driveways are heated. So this never happens. Maybe this is what we need on these side of the road stops in the middle of nowhere.

Geez, with thinking like this we'll never be able to move past the social idea of transit as being nothing but charity for the dregs of society. Who said anything about heated bus stop pads? It would be enough if those charged with clearing the sidewalks didn't completely neglect suburban bus stops. Give me a break.