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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

I assume there was a protest at the entrance to the storage yard?

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ShonTron said:
I’m really disappointed by how little noise there is about the GO bus strike.

Students have led the ridership recovery, and they’re the most affected by the GO bus strike as they’re the least likely to have cars, and much of the GO bus network is centred around universities and colleges.
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It's reading week at U of T. I don't know how universal this is though.
 
ShonTron said:
U of T - except, perhaps, the Scarborough Campus - is probably the least affected by this. York, Ontario Tech/Durham College, Sheridan-Oakville, McMaster, Guelph, and UW/WLU are much more affected.
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There is VERY LITTLE if any GO service into U of T Scarborough. The 90 and 92 run via the 401 from STC to Port Union.

UTM is far more affected than the Toronto campuses.
 
Ive been hearing all about the govt always negotiating in bad faith. Can someone explain what does that mean? Does no for an answer to the unions demands equal to bad faith?
last minute changes to the terms? offering something that the union doesnt like? How about the unions? why are they always the ones being seen as the lamb to the slaughter?
I find it ironic that every strike cycle they say the deal that they voted favourably on last time is the worst deal in the world and theyve been treated so badly... blah blah blah... why cant they just renew the deal that
they said was good and just maybe adjust for inflation or some other small terms? why do they always have to start from square one from 10 miles apart?
 
cplchanb said:
Ive been hearing all about the govt always negotiating in bad faith. Can someone explain what does that mean? Does no for an answer to the unions demands equal to bad faith?
last minute changes to the terms? offering something that the union doesnt like? How about the unions? why are they always the ones being seen as the lamb to the slaughter?
I find it ironic that every strike cycle they say the deal that they voted favourably on last time is the worst deal in the world and theyve been treated so badly... blah blah blah... why cant they just renew the deal that
they said was good and just maybe adjust for inflation or some other small terms? why do they always have to start from square one from 10 miles apart?
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One decent explanation here.

Collective bargaining inevitably involves a great deal of posturing on both sides, especially so in the public sector where unions attempt to leverage public opinion.

It’s usually impossible for bystanders to discern what’s really going on, and positions change the moment something is agreed to, so what waas said yesterday needs to be forgotten today.

Unions are political animals - they very much resemble municipal government in the sense that everything has to be explained to voters.. While the power in a business organization flows downhill from the top, in a union the power resides with the rank and file and the executive has only as much power as the members give them. That’s why unions beat the drums so hard going into negotiations - to get the membership into a mood where they will hang tough - to extract every last give from the employer. If the membership isn’t willing to strike, their negotiators have little clout at the bargaining table. But, once the deal is reached, and the union executive figures that the employer isn’t willing to sweeten the deal further, they then have to convince the members that the deal is a good one - otherwise the membership won’t vote to ratify it.

Meanwhile, the government (as employer) has to convince the voters that it isn’t giving away tax dollars unwisely, while also trying to not sound meanspirited towards its workers. So spin is everything.

- Paul
 
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I believe the reference to bad faith as far as the ed workers strike action was because the government had prepared legislation well before negotiations were started... implying they were never there to bargain seriously.

Not sure if there were bad faith claims between Go workers and ML.
 
Coolibop said:
I believe the reference to bad faith as far as the ed workers strike action was because the government had prepared legislation well before negotiations were started... implying they were never there to bargain seriously.

Not sure if there were bad faith claims between Go workers and ML.
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There was... on the Sunday press conference the atu said it clearly on TV. It's a catch phrase that every union uses to garner more public support. That is part in parcel why I despise these unions and their greed
 
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ericlewis91 said:
Do we have any updates for the park lawn go station? 2025? 2030?
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It will have its own thread in a short while (I'm creating it); SPA has been filed.

Link to new thread, here:

Park Lawn GO Station (Metrolinx, ?s, Hatch)

Site Plan Approval for the new station has been filed with the City of Toronto: A Masterpiece she is not; but not a bad looking station over all; though, the signage needs some work ;) http://app.toronto.ca/AIC/index.do?folderRsn=KA1i7VSde%2BLyMd%2F9LxUjLg%3D%3D What's the name of...
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cplchanb said:
That is part in parcel why I despise these unions and their greed
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I assume you have been fortunate in your life and have never been overworked, underpaid, or otherwise abused by your employer, nor has your employer allowed your clients to be abusive to you. If you had, I suspect your stance on having a mechanism to protect you against such things would differ.

This is symptomatic of a very prevalent issue across North America, and that is that workers are expected to be subserviant and to the grovel at the feet of the employer, and to be grateful to even have a job, or the client (see also: all customer service jobs). This is utter bunk. Any employee who hasn't drank the corporate kool-aid is going to put themselves first, because they know that if they don't, nobody else will, either.
 
T3G said:
I assume you have been fortunate in your life and have never been overworked, underpaid, or otherwise abused by your employer, nor has your employer allowed your clients to be abusive to you. If you had, I suspect your stance on having a mechanism to protect you against such things would differ.

This is symptomatic of a very prevalent issue across North America, and that is that workers are expected to be subserviant and to the grovel at the feet of the employer, and to be grateful to even have a job, or the client (see also: all customer service jobs). This is utter bunk. Any employee who hasn't drank the corporate kool-aid is going to put themselves first, because they know that if they don't, nobody else will, either.
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Actually in my current job, I am overworked and not quite paid enough for the work I do. I am salaried but have no ot, but am expected to work the ot if it's required to get the work done during crunch time. I only have 7 sick days per year and raises are not guaranteed.

I have nothing against the individual, but the union as an institution is run by cronies who fight to line their own pockets. Why else would they say at the end of the strike they negotiated a good deal only to lament at the beginning of their next strike they were always treated poorly and underpaid, abused etc....

It's all theater and posturing to get more money and garner public support. The employers too.
 
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