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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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anb
Active Member
The Transit app has the schedules already updated, and Brampton has been doing that mostly for 1-2 weeks prior to their official service announcements. The service to York U shows that it would have 3-8 mins peak direction, but here's the catch... counter peak service only gets 30 min service, only the C branch will be running which is just Bramalea Terminal-York U and not to downtown Brampton, and there's no mid day, weekend, or evening service at all...
smallspy
Senior Member
Part of the problem is that there are a dozen or so staff who have actually come down with COVID - although that number is actually less than it had been in weeks past.
The bigger issue is the inability to retain crews, and to not hire replacements fast enough.
Dan
Allandale25
Senior Member
Is this new?
Bordercollie
Senior Member
I don't think the bus is cancelled. They may have cut some routes due to staff shortages. And since technically it's a redundant service, those crews can be used elsewhere.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
The train from West Harbour to Union takes 77 minutes and departs at :13 past every hour.
The bus+train connection from Hamilton Centre takes 95-100 minutes, departing at :20-25 past every hour (every half-hour during peak periods).
The direct Route 16 bus was scheduled for 60-65 minutes, departing on the hour. However, as we've discussed in this thread, buses have been unable to achieve anywhere near that travel time, due to the lack of bus lanes around the new Union Station Bus Terminal.
Just a reminder that numbers stated by people complaining on Twitter are almost always fabricated. The comparison is 60-120 minutes versus 100 minutes, not 45-50 vs 120.
The bus+train connection from Hamilton Centre takes 95-100 minutes, departing at :20-25 past every hour (every half-hour during peak periods).
The direct Route 16 bus was scheduled for 60-65 minutes, departing on the hour. However, as we've discussed in this thread, buses have been unable to achieve anywhere near that travel time, due to the lack of bus lanes around the new Union Station Bus Terminal.
Just a reminder that numbers stated by people complaining on Twitter are almost always fabricated. The comparison is 60-120 minutes versus 100 minutes, not 45-50 vs 120.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Don't forget the 20 minutes to get from Hamilton GO to Aldershot and then transfer to the train. But it's still faster than the express bus.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Jonny5
Senior Member
I don't know about the current issues around Union, but back in the 2008-15 period when I used the Hamilton Express frequently (I probably made over 500 trips in that period both directions combined) the trip would often be just under one hour when outside of the peak-periods. 45 minutes is a stretch, though I recall I got that once on a late night trip where the driver must have averaged 120-130 kph the whole way on the QEW (which was the speed everyone else was travelling at).
However, the real time savings for many here was from the fact the bus made stops in Hamilton both on the way in and out of the City, some of which are quite far from either GO station, and those further reduced the time-wasting "first mile" and/or "last mile" travel portions of the trip. Indeed, that first stop inbound to Hamilton on Main Street West would often see half of the passengers get off the bus, and it's still a good 8-10 minutes drive away from the GO Station, or 20-25 minutes on the HSR which also doesn't make any direct connection to any GO Station from that area, so there is both a of loss from that (I note the planned LRT in Hamilton would further increase connectivity at that stop), and from those far-off-peak trips which would blow past the milk-run trains, especially on weekend mornings and late-evenings (when a lot of people were making the trip specifically because it was so fast!)
But I gave up on the bus more because of increased use of cell-phones and how a quiet ride turned into a thing of the past and now an inescapable nightmare as the bus is apparently now the time you bring out your phone to have loudest and longest phone call possible about the inane events of your life, all while eating your steaming hot smelly food you bought at Union station--or drinking what you bought at the LCBO--making sure to leave all the trash behind on the seat when you get off. I switched to the train and take a taxi from Aldershot to Hamilton since 2015. The extra cost is worth it, though I only make the trip two or three times per year now. But the train still is absolutely a downgrade in travel time for many, and a significant one for a few. This is why you see 50 cars meeting every train at Aldershot GO which all then drive out in a parade to get on the 403 to Hamilton.
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reaperexpress
Senior Member
Yes I know. In 2014 I lived in an apartment on King Street at Hess. In the midday the 16 usually did arrive at its destination around 10 minutes early. However, the remaining quarter of the time it got stuck in traffic and ended up significantly late. But even then, it was often still faster than the bus+train connection.
In the meantime, traffic has gotten worse, and the train offerings have gotten better. But people still take the 16 for a reason, which is that the local trains are not fast enough.
GO Buses are electronically limited to 110 km/h. If traffic is light, that is exactly how fast they go - the driver just puts their foot to the floor and the limiter acts as a sort of cruise control.
All of the local stops served by the 16 are also served by the 18. The real problem is that the only off-peak connections at Aldershot are local trains* which take over an hour to get to Union.
*The 3 weekend express trains don't line up with any route 18 trips.
Yes, and this is why all-day express trains to Hamilton are so important, as well as safe cycling infrastructure to both of Hamilton's central stations. According to Streetview, the Hunter Street bicycle lanes still end a block away from the station in both directions.
Jonny5
Senior Member
The 18 has a super-padded schedule though. It arrives around ten minutes before the train arrives at Aldershot, which is then another ten minutes before the train departs Aldershot. I recall taking that option once from Hamilton GO and watching the 16 leave from the window of the 18. Five minutes later the 18 departed. 20 minutes after that I was on a train. Ten minutes after that the train finally departed Aldershot and I was wondering if that 16 was now somewhere around the QEW and 427 only 20 minutes away from Union while I still had over an hour to go to get there. Though if you were going somewhere such that Exhibition station can be your destination, or simply your exit point to a connection elsewhere, then for sure that is a far faster option.
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reaperexpress
Senior Member
Yes it does seem a bit ridiculous that they provide 15 minutes of padding on a route which is only 15 minutes long to begin with. Cutting that back to 10 minutes or so seems like an easy way to cut a few minutes off of eastbound trips via the 18+train.
On a similar note, the connections between the 18K (Aldershot - Hamilton C - St Catharines - Brock) and the trains at West Harbour are incredibly frustrating. Heading toward Toronto, the connection is just barely too short to reliably make the connection, which means that you need to stay on the meandering bus all the way to from Aldershot, and take the train 30 minutes later than the one you almost caught at West Harbour. Adding a few more minutes sitting in Hamilton Centre station would solve this issue, and wouldn't inconvenience many people since people travelling onward to Toronto will already have gotten off/on at West Harbour, and the people heading to Hamilton Centre aren't affected by layovers there.
Heading toward St Catharines, the bus always leaves just before the train arrives, so people need to take the previous train and ride the bus all the way from Aldershot. Again, increasing the layover at Hamilton Centre or separating the Hamilton - Brock portion into its own route would solve this problem.
WB62
Senior Member
I stole this email screenshot from someone else, but I’m a little concerned how weekend Barrie Line service to Allandale is now marked as “seasonal”.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Yeah I noticed that as well. Definitely concerning.
I suspect that GO Rail Ops is not a fan of the off-peak Allandale trains because they create an operational headache for the hourly Aurora trains. Since there's only a single track at Aurora station, trains terminating in Aurora need to deadhead back to the siding south of King City to let the Allandale trains by, then deadhead back to Aurora to start the next southbound Aurora trip an hour later. A while ago we heard that Mx was building a new siding just south of Aurora, but while it would save some fuel, I don't think it would really solve the problem since it would still strand a crew in a siding for an hour.
Given how expensive the current train service arrangment is to operate, I'd be okay with the off-peak Allandale trains being replaced by hourly or bi-hourly service on route 68C (Barrie Term - Allandale - King City express via 404).
The longer term solution would be to double or triple track Aurora station, which would allow for the Allandale trains to simply slot in between the Aurora trains. By the time that platform is built there will be plenty of capacity south of Aurora to run 2+ trains per hour in both directions.
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
I mean isn't a second platform already under construction at Aurora GO? I know the tunnels were installed several years ago.