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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

I don't blame ML or QP for not expanding service right now.

The province just brought in their new integrated fare system for the 905. It is reasonable that they don't make any irrational changes to the service levels until they see what the implications are for ridership. I also don't mean just total ridership but also the destinations, how far the riders are travelling, what stations they are going to/from, what times of the day they are travelling, and the impacts it has on weekend and late night traffic. They also have to allow the local transit agencies time to adjust their bus schedules to reflect the new realities
The 905 agencies in question already had 75% discounts for passengers transferring to/from GO, producing a fare around $0.80. (Full listing here)

How transformational do you think the new 80 cent discount will really be?
Everyone would be glad if they increased service right now but would be pissed off all to hell if, after taking in these potential impacts, the schedules for both GO and their local bus had to change again in a few months.

It may not be popular right now with some riders but it is a prudent move.
GO updates schedules every few months regardless. There are constant little adjustments, typically to reflect changes in travel times.

And in any case, nobody would be pissed off if their line's service gets increased twice.
 
Not sure if this belongs here, but this is the dumbest idea.

Why are Maple and Rutherford GO stations so close together? If this area is so sparse that they can't even run frequent buses to the train stations, why do they have two stations that are 2 km apart?
 

So this story is one of chasing Mx about the missing service to Kitchener (current vs pre-pandemic).

Most is the usual Mx bafflegab for a response............

But there is some useful foreshadowing at the end of the piece:

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AMA has her moments.............but I'm thinking that reference to timing wasn't a slip of the tongue.
 
Why are Maple and Rutherford GO stations so close together? If this area is so sparse that they can't even run frequent buses to the train stations, why do they have two stations that are 2 km apart?
Parking supply. Maple until the 90s was a tiny rural station, however when suburban development came, Maple wasn't able to handle all of the increased traffic, so they had to build Rutherford as literally a parking lot station. This was also before 2010 when they massively expanded Maple GO - before then it was literally just Station St with a few parking lots.

This can be seen on Google Maps' streetview: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.858...m4!1sQYo_EoDeUiLsdvqRc_d2CA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664
 
And in any case, nobody would be pissed off if their line's service gets increased twice.

I think people get more pleased to hear increases in their line way more than the news of cuts. Even something like a simple extra trip gets at least some riders excited.

So this story is one of chasing Mx about the missing service to Kitchener (current vs pre-pandemic).

Most is the usual Mx bafflegab for a response............

But there is some useful foreshadowing at the end of the piece:

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AMA has her moments.............but I'm thinking that reference to timing wasn't a slip of the tongue.

I wonder if they have ever thought to themselves that barely anybody wants to take a bus to and from KW and the GTA. Even if I don't mind taking the 30 as its mostly a nice and fast trip, the fatigue of always travelling via bus can hit you at times. The mid day trips back in September were really successful especially at and in between Kitchener/Guelph stations, and I doubt all these people lining up for these trains took the bus prior, or even considered planning on heading to these destinations if they wanted to. They should've at least given us the local/express variant during peak times which helps with the control in crowding and service a lot more compared to what is currently set up right now.
 
Why are Maple and Rutherford GO stations so close together? If this area is so sparse that they can't even run frequent buses to the train stations, why do they have two stations that are 2 km apart?
Rutherford was added in 2001 as a replacement for Maple. The idea was that the site at Maple was much more constrained and it was going to be difficult to add parking, whereas the site at Rutherford was much more open.

Of course since then, GO has decided to open their wallets and buy up as much land as possible around Maple in order to increase the amount of parking there. And since ridership has not appreciably dropped since the opening of Rutherford, they've decided to keep both of them open.

Dan
 
Rutherford was added in 2001 as a replacement for Maple. The idea was that the site at Maple was much more constrained and it was going to be difficult to add parking, whereas the site at Rutherford was much more open.

Of course since then, GO has decided to open their wallets and buy up as much land as possible around Maple in order to increase the amount of parking there. And since ridership has not appreciably dropped since the opening of Rutherford, they've decided to keep both of them open.

Dan
And with the introduction of RER on the Barrie Line, having stations 2km apart in suburban areas may not be a bad thing, so long as there's an option to run express trains on the inner portion of the line.
 
No amount of parking can satisfy the demand for RER type frequent rail service, especially when fares are fully integrated with local transit. GO will have to move away from the park & ride model and towards the feeder bus model that's been serving the subway for generations. That means that YRT has to learn from its neighbours and significantly increase service over the rest of the decade.
 
No amount of parking can satisfy the demand for RER type frequent rail service, especially when fares are fully integrated with local transit. GO will have to move away from the park & ride model and towards the feeder bus model that's been serving the subway for generations. That means that YRT has to learn from its neighbours and significantly increase service over the rest of the decade.
Agreed, but that's another reason why having stations closer together makes sense. If you have a station at almost every concession road (~2km apart), running local transit service on the roads would allow more local routes to more directly intersect with stations. When stations are 4+ km apart, the amount of deviation the local routes need to take, and by consequence the amount of time a transit user spends on a bus before even arriving at the station, increases substantially.

If you have a layered express/local pattern, you can increase accessibility while not substantially increasing trip times. For example, on the Lakeshore West corridor:

Route 1: Local Union to Oakville, terminate at Oakville
Route 2: Express Union to Oakville, local Oakville to West Harbour, terminate at West Harbour
Route 3: Express Union to West Harbour (stop at Burlington & Oakville), local to Niagara Falls

With this pattern, you could add infill stations at Park Lawn, Lorne Park, Ford, Dorval, and Walkers without substantially impacting travel times for most people on the corridor.
 
And with the introduction of RER on the Barrie Line, having stations 2km apart in suburban areas may not be a bad thing, so long as there's an option to run express trains on the inner portion of the line.
Exactly this. Using single level EMU's along the Aurora to Union section would basically create subway(metro)-like acceleration profiles. Subway stations 2km apart is pretty standard. I'm actually hoping to see more infill stations this close together on the line, such as the proposed Concord Station. If you want people to not drive to the stations you have to put enough of them to be within reasonable transit distance.
 
I was really disappointed that Niagara trains weren't running but I just got to Burlington and there was an announcement that they're running the 12B express to Niagara Falls. This is probably going to end up being faster than the train! It's ridiculously full and uncomfortable though.

I'm hoping they start up the Niagara trains again soon. This is however Metrolinx...
 
Metrolinx still owns the Guelph Sub from Silver to Kitchener correct? A CN foamer told me that its one and only owner is CN
 

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