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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

A proposal, not a plan.

This past summer, CN imposed some tough restrictions on its own use of the Guelph & Galt. Suffice it to say, no passenger train will be using that line at more than 10 mph without a great deal of upgrading. Even if funding were available, It would likely take until 2025 or beyond to fix the underlying problem.

- Paul
As far as I know it's been degraded to a rule 105 spur...
 
A proposal, not a plan.

This past summer, CN imposed some tough restrictions on its own use of the Guelph & Galt. Suffice it to say, no passenger train will be using that line at more than 10 mph without a great deal of upgrading. Even if funding were available, It would likely take until 2025 or beyond to fix the underlying problem.

- Paul
Another example of railroad looking at profits not repairing infrastructure.

How many trains a week does this route see?
 
Another example of railroad looking at profits not repairing infrastructure.

How many trains a week does this route see?

A roadswitcher is usually based in Preston working 5 days per week. The job splits its time between serving customers in Cambridge and doing switching work around Guelph.

A more apt question would be, how many carloads a week does the branch generate. I wouldn’t say CN has underinvested for the amount of business. CN did do some rehab after GEXR left.

The point is, just because a rail line appears on the map doesn’t mean it is readily used for passenger trains. The last passenger train on the G&G was sixty years ago….. no one expects CN to keep a line up for that long in hopes that passenger traffic will return.

- Paul
 
With The QEW being a parking lot At Hurontario where traffic will being using the 1/2 lanes of off/on ramp for the close QEW on Oct 28-31, I am assuming GO will have "ALL" the QEW buses on detour or run the buses to/from Oakville with riders use the GO train to/from Oakville to Union Station. Travel time will be a lot longer than normal that weekend as well on Monday itself.

Until they rebuilt the centre barrier on the east side of Hurontario, traffic will be reduce to 2 lanes both direction with mid week to be back to 3 lanes.
 
There is a proposal to use the Fergus sub to provide this kind of service.
I think that's only to provide service into Galt (Cambridge) from Guelph and the Kitchener line, rather than using the more direct Milton line.

The Fergus Sub has nothing to do with service to the east of Milton and in to downtown Toronto. That's where the restriction lies.
Theoretically, you could take a train from Union that's arrived from Milton, then run it back to Guelph, down the the Fergus sub, change to the CP at the Waterloo sub, and onto the Galt sub eastbound to another (latish) peak run.

But it wouldn't provide counter-peak service along the Milton line, which is what the question was about. Or be very pragmatic or useful I'd think.

How can there be a 0% transit share when people already use the existing GO trains to travel between Kitchener and Guelph?
Rounding.

1% would be 300 (or 150 to 449 people).

0% would be 0 to 149 people.

Which isn't surprising. Pre-Covid (September 2019) the last eastbound train from Kitchener to Guelph during AM rush arrived in Guelph at 8:20 AM, while the first westbound in PM peak was at 5:12 pm. I'd think the number of people that this would for would be small (but more than 0). And this was only a relatively recent development.

But I'd think the bigger demand would be commuting to Kitchener from Guelph - which remained impossible with the first GO Train departing westbound from Guelph at 2:22 pm.
 
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What's going on with the last weekend southbound train on the Stouffville line in the schedule? I've never seen anything like this. A train seems to magically appear at Unionville for a 22:05 departure, a whole 17 minutes after the previous normally scheduled hourly departure at 21:48. This seems like a mistake. I can't imagine where they're getting that train from, nor what the point of that run would be.

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What's going on with the last weekend southbound train on the Stouffville line in the schedule? I've never seen anything like this. A train seems to magically appear at Unionville for a 22:05 departure, a whole 17 minutes after the previous normally scheduled hourly departure at 21:48. This seems like a mistake. I can't imagine where they're getting that train from, nor what the point of that run would be.

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It's probably a dead head run that they put into service.
 
It's probably a dead head run that they put into service.
Deadheading from where though? As far as I know all the (weekend) northbound Stouffville trains return southbound after a layover, so there isn't spare train sitting around. They would need to run an extra train all the way from the yard at Old Elm, and the only way that would make sense is if they need to constantly rebalance a train onto the Kitchener line (which through-runs with Stouffville on the weekends if I remember correctly).
 
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Deadheading from where though? As far as I know all the (weekend) northbound Stouffville trains return southbound after a layover, so there isn't spare train sitting around. They would need to run an extra train all the way from the yard at Old Elm, and the only way that would make sense is if they need to constantly rebalance a train onto the Kitchener line (which through-runs with Stouffville on the weekends if I remember correctly).
Don't they layover at Old Elm?
 
Deadheading from where though? As far as I know all the (weekend) northbound Stouffville trains return southbound after a layover, so there isn't spare train sitting around. They would need to run an extra train all the way from the yard at Old Elm, and the only way that would make sense is if they need to constantly rebalance a train onto the Kitchener line (which through-runs with Stouffville on the weekends if I remember correctly).
Umm.. There are no weekend trains on the Kitchener Line at present..
 
Umm.. There are no weekend trains on the Kitchener Line at present..
My bad. A year or 2 ago I was on a Stouffville train that once it reached Union an announcement was made that it was carrying on either as a Barrie Line or Kitchener Line train. If it was Kitchener then it must have been a weekday, otherwise it was the Barrie Line. Maybe they aren't through-running anymore. I don't know. Point is that last southbound train still makes no sense to me.
 

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