Northern Light
Superstar
Metrolinx removed the flyover from their project plan.
They deferred it to ONCorr to consider the utility of; but have a standing plan to go ahead w/o it, at some future point.
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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Metrolinx removed the flyover from their project plan.
They deferred it to ONCorr to consider the utility of; but have a standing plan to go ahead w/o it, at some future point.
jcam
Active Member
Got it, looks like they'll build a new retaining wall and put it south of the columns...a mirror of where the road is on the other side. Explains why the deck won't be impacted.
Voltz
Senior Member
There would still be the grade separation with Danforth Rd, by lowering the railway corridor, not a simple project even without the flyunder.
robmausser
Senior Member
I really think MX needs to build a replacement station for Etobicoke North, a bit south of where it was. They are leaving a large community without transit after having it for 40 odd years.
They could run it alternating with Woodbine like they are doing for Park Lawn/Mimico.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
It has already been established that Etobicoke North will replaced by the new GO station at Hwy 27 on the grounds of Woodbine Racetrack. Etobicoke North does not provide "transit" to northern Etobicoke, it has never been more than an isolated park-and-ride facility.
Towered
Superstar
Exactly. It was stranded in the middle of an industrial area. Strange place for a commuter station.
robmausser
Senior Member
The Woodbine location is even further from the residential area that was barely close enough to EN.
I think there is a large gap now between Weston and Woodbine that could benefit from a station.
Sunnyside
Senior Member
It all comes down to who we’re trying to serve. Woodbine is better for Rexdale and transit connections more generally, but it is pretty far out the way of the old stations catchment. If park-and-riders were coming from the south, a station at Islington might function better by being more equidistant from Woodbine and Weston, while also being south of the 401 for better access from Westway/Kingsview area. Instead of crossing two highways, residents now have to cross neither, meaning bus travel times would probably be quite favourable compared to today.
Sunnyside
Senior Member
To be fair, much of LSW lies in Industrial wastes. The difference is there are better locations to put station(s) on this line. Land use has not been relevant to GO until relatively recently.
crs1026
Superstar
I don't see much opportunity for Transit Oriented Development at Etobicoke North. The station is close to employment lands that are needed as such. Finch and Eglinton LRT is coming and will change commuting habits.
Certainly there are plenty of people who fill buses on Kipling and Islington, but I'm not sure a GO stop helps their trips any. Different origins and destinations.
I have a hunch that those parking lots are filled with cars from further away eg Woodbridge - if so, moving to Woodbine won't create disincentive for that ridership.
It would be interesting to see the ML data on Islington.
- Paul
Certainly there are plenty of people who fill buses on Kipling and Islington, but I'm not sure a GO stop helps their trips any. Different origins and destinations.
I have a hunch that those parking lots are filled with cars from further away eg Woodbridge - if so, moving to Woodbine won't create disincentive for that ridership.
It would be interesting to see the ML data on Islington.
- Paul
Islington Express Bus
Active Member
Yes, yes yes!
Finally someone else says what I've thought for years. "Woodbine" Station (a name that will surely cause no confusion whatsoever) does NOT serve the community at all, it serves some industrial buildings and a casino (barely) with no opportunity for redevelopment due to being under the approach to Pearson Airport. If Etobicoke North must be demolished to build the fourth track, it should be rebuilt at Islington for the following reasons:
Finally someone else says what I've thought for years. "Woodbine" Station (a name that will surely cause no confusion whatsoever) does NOT serve the community at all, it serves some industrial buildings and a casino (barely) with no opportunity for redevelopment due to being under the approach to Pearson Airport. If Etobicoke North must be demolished to build the fourth track, it should be rebuilt at Islington for the following reasons:
- Islington is about halfway between "Woodbine" and Weston.
- The parking lot at Weston fills up early every day and this would get even worse if Etobicoke North closes.
- Islington has full highway access, unlike the current station location in which only one of four highway-to-street movements is possible (from the east).
- There is enough land to build a station building and parking structure.
- There is an existing residential community of single-family houses, a school, several high-density apartment buildings, a hotel, and office buildings including the ministry of the environment and ministry of labour.
- There is a high-density community on the north side of the highway, about a 10 minute walk away.
- Adriatic Rd, a small residential street immediately next to the potential station location, has been completely bought up by a developer with the intention of building a new condo tower.
- Unlike the current Etobicoke North station which is only "served" by the Kipling bus (which stops a 400m walk away), Islington would be served by the Islington bus's A and B branches, which spread out all over northern Etobicoke. GO-TTC transfers will become even more important in the future as the province introduces integrated fares.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Woodbine Racetrack station will have far better local coverage because unlike Etobicoke North, it will be directly served by frequent bus service on routes such as the 927 which connects it to the casino and Humber College, as well as new local bus routes to connect it to neighbourhoods to the north and northwest. Furthermore, a large portion of the community that the station will serve has not been built yet, it is part of the massive Woodbine Racetrack redevelopment (hence why Woodbine Entertainment Group is sharing the cost of the station in the first place).
Just because you can't build highrises or skyscrapers does not mean that the site cannot be redeveloped. It is possible to build at a fairly high density using midrise structures. Especially when the current land uses are vacant fields or parking lots, as is the case at Woodbine racetrack.
I agree the name Woodbine would be a bad idea due to the existing Woodbine station (which unlike this station is actually on Woodbine Ave). My preference is for "Pearson Junction" to highlight its utility for transferring from the UP Express to the Kitchener line, e.g. for passengers travelling to the airport from Kitchener and Guelph. Alternatively "Racetrack" or "Woodbine Racetrack" would be a name that acknowledges Woodbine Entertainment Group's contribution to the station without being duplicated by an existnig station.
Etobicoke North does need to be demolished to build the fourth track. I agree that it would be nice to add an intermediate station between Woodbine Racetrack and Weston, but I don't think such a plan should stand in the way of completing the fourth track.
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drum118
Superstar
Etobicoke North has 4 tracks with the current station being a centre platform one. Will require tunnels to the platform as the north track current access has to be close off. I don't how much freight traffic uses that north track with the downsizing of the industrial area that it currently service. The CN local switcher uses that track along with the fifth track to the west to swap cars for the industries and can tie up that track for an hour or two.
A track switch will have to be installed along with regrading of the area to service any remaining industries. This will allow that track to connect to the 409/401 tunnel. Parking is and has been an issue since the station first opened.
It is my understanding that there would be no connection between UPX and GO, but that most likely has changed since service on the line goes to Kitchener all day now.
It is one reason that I have always seen/call for a Y junction there along with a few Ministers for MTO going back as far as 2008 that would offer direct service to/from the airport west as far as London.
Again, not every station should have parking for it if good transit service can be had as well walk-in traffic.
Etobicoke North lacks transit service as well as walk-in, let alone density and is in an industrial area. Islington is a little better as it is in both employment land and residential area with more residential to the south than the north. Will not be fun walking over the 401/409 overpass especially during the winter months.
Woodbine station would be serviced by the car folks until the density development takes place for the racetrack as well having the Finch LRT connecting to it and the airport. Other than the racetrack there, employment land only with poor transit service.
Would pick up the wife at Etobicoke North when we were going west out of Toronto on the 401 than the Lakeshore West line as it was faster and easier to do. Those days are over since she hasn't worked downtown in decades.
A track switch will have to be installed along with regrading of the area to service any remaining industries. This will allow that track to connect to the 409/401 tunnel. Parking is and has been an issue since the station first opened.
It is my understanding that there would be no connection between UPX and GO, but that most likely has changed since service on the line goes to Kitchener all day now.
It is one reason that I have always seen/call for a Y junction there along with a few Ministers for MTO going back as far as 2008 that would offer direct service to/from the airport west as far as London.
Again, not every station should have parking for it if good transit service can be had as well walk-in traffic.
Etobicoke North lacks transit service as well as walk-in, let alone density and is in an industrial area. Islington is a little better as it is in both employment land and residential area with more residential to the south than the north. Will not be fun walking over the 401/409 overpass especially during the winter months.
Woodbine station would be serviced by the car folks until the density development takes place for the racetrack as well having the Finch LRT connecting to it and the airport. Other than the racetrack there, employment land only with poor transit service.
Would pick up the wife at Etobicoke North when we were going west out of Toronto on the 401 than the Lakeshore West line as it was faster and easier to do. Those days are over since she hasn't worked downtown in decades.
Metroscapes
Active Member
I agree that "Woodbine" ("Rexdale"? Anything but "Grandstand Casino and Woodbine Racing Entertainment GO") is a better option.
- That 927 connection is a great point.
- A UPX-GO connection is a fantastic idea.
- I'm also of the option that the casino block is vastly under-utilized and needs a re-think.
JasonParis
Moderator
Honest question, but the "Racetrack GO" let's call it wouldn't be close enough to service the casino without a shuttle bus, at least from my looking at a map. Is it thought that the Line 6 extension could address this with a stop at Racetrack GO and then a stop at Great Canadian Casino Resort?