TDE
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Sidetrack for a question here. What exactly entails someone to be a
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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Northern Light
Superstar
I feel confident he meant stakeholder.
Stakeholder can mean area resident or business owner (someone with a vested interest in project, ie. they stand to gain/lose because of it) but it can also include
representatives of any number of other groups, such as a local environment group, a friends of group for a park adjacent to a project, a representative of a local BIA or resident's association etc.
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TDE
New Member
Stakeholder. Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks for the correction and explanation.
crs1026
Superstar
As far as I'm concerned, I pay taxes in Ontario - so I'm a ML shareholder. We ought to be treated as such.
(I was definitely being tongue in cheek.)
- Paul
(I was definitely being tongue in cheek.)
- Paul
superelevation
Active Member
I think the grade separations are on ice with the on corridor contract so close to being done (as with Scarborough junction), frankly many of them aren't really needed (Finch is happening as part of the station), one of the benefits of regional rail over the REM or whatever is being able to have some *safe* crossings here and there, the ones that have better gates and fencing are already not half bad. Electric trains aren't slow 150 car freights and crossings are less a big deal, the train is usually through in 20 seconds with gates down maybe a minute? Thats fine even at pretty high frequencies.
crs1026
Superstar
There is no such thing as a “safe” level crossing….. well, maybe on the OBRY these days, but wherever train frequency is high, as it will be with RER, total grade separation is the proper goal, for both drivers and pedestrians. The limiting factor is simply how much money we can afford to spend at any point in time. As a matter of long term infrastructure planning, we should grade separate it all.
I’m very suspicious that the deferral of Scarborough Jct was not well thought out. It would be a multi year project that would constrain operations at a time when ML is almost ready to initiate 2WAD, and it’s big ticket item to boot. So much temptation for ML to say “hey, let’s not bother” when in a few years it may be badly needed…. I can’t see that junction performing well as a “flat” junction once train frequency rises.
Re Oncorr - clearly the trend has been for ML to do basic civil works itself. My suspicion is that Oncorr bidders don’t want to do this work because it takes them into controversial areas and potential delay/cost risks… a good example being the design for Small’s Creek. Vendors will not want to ride point on anything where there is public interface or contoversy - why should they? let ML and the pols answer to the public - and they will price anything that looks iffy much higher as they have less control over outcomes. Plus, it keeps them out of work that might cause them to add skills or workforce beyond their core focus. Once the roadbed is built (which is the source of controversy, and something that lots of local construction contractors do well) the Oncorr folks can focus on tracklaying, signalling, etc…. their core specialties. ML may have originally wanted to bundle it all, but found this division of roles cheaper and more expeditious overall.
- Paul
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Allandale25
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robmausser
Senior Member
Fire Metrolinx's PR agent. Now. I am sick of this "X minutes or better" what a terrible way to entice people. Could you imagine any other professional PR firm doing this? "Our Lamborghini goes 20kmh or better!"
All I hear people repeat is that GO-RER will offer transit every 15 minutes. When the reality is that during peak service you will have stations with trains as often as every 5 minutes. But thats not what people remember. All they hear is the number 15 and parrot that.
NO, you tell people the best service level that will be offered. "Trains up to every 5 minutes"
Mr Finish Line
Active Member
Metrolinx can't seem to get their frequency story right.
"Metrolinx will be able to offer two-way, all-day service on the Stouffville Line every 10 minutes or better up to Unionville GO"
further down the post...
"Located in York Region, Unionville GO Station will offer customers in Markham more frequent train service every 15 minutes or better to Union Station and back."
And the old GO Expansion page:
"with trains every 15 minutes or better"
I don't think they ever said 10 min or better before. This is something new. At first I thought it was an error, but that tweet is now the second time 10 min has been referenced.
"Metrolinx will be able to offer two-way, all-day service on the Stouffville Line every 10 minutes or better up to Unionville GO"
further down the post...
"Located in York Region, Unionville GO Station will offer customers in Markham more frequent train service every 15 minutes or better to Union Station and back."
And the old GO Expansion page:
"with trains every 15 minutes or better"
I don't think they ever said 10 min or better before. This is something new. At first I thought it was an error, but that tweet is now the second time 10 min has been referenced.
Mr Finish Line
Active Member
Regarding the Stouffville Grade Separations, not sure if this update has been posted here.
So it's the City that asked for more grade separations. Havendale will be closed and a pedestrian bridge is proposed.
It's correct that these grade separation projects are part of the OnCorr contract, but Metrolinx has prepared the EA's and TPAP's in anticipation.
There are also plans for Kennedy Rd and Denison St in Markham.
ML seems serious about making the Stouffville Line fully grade separated to Unionville. It's hard to imagine running frequencies of even every 15 min with boom gates going up and down, so I'm pretty sure they're all going to happen, but given how long it's taking Steeles, we can get an idea of when this is all going to be done.
So it's the City that asked for more grade separations. Havendale will be closed and a pedestrian bridge is proposed.
It's correct that these grade separation projects are part of the OnCorr contract, but Metrolinx has prepared the EA's and TPAP's in anticipation.
There are also plans for Kennedy Rd and Denison St in Markham.
Stouffville Line GO Expansion.What We're Building
Learn more about the stations and structures being built on the Stouffville Line.
www.metrolinxengage.com
ML seems serious about making the Stouffville Line fully grade separated to Unionville. It's hard to imagine running frequencies of even every 15 min with boom gates going up and down, so I'm pretty sure they're all going to happen, but given how long it's taking Steeles, we can get an idea of when this is all going to be done.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
IIRC Metrolinx is actually planning sub-10 minute frequencies on the Stouffville line, which triggered the need for it to be fully grade separated. There are lots of at-grade intersections planned to still remain along other parts of the 15-minute network, particularly on the Barrie Line.Regarding the Stouffville Grade Separations, not sure if this update has been posted here.
So it's the City that asked for more grade separations. Havendale will be closed and a pedestrian bridge is proposed.
It's correct that these grade separation projects are part of the OnCorr contract, but Metrolinx has prepared the EA's and TPAP's in anticipation.
There are also plans for Kennedy Rd and Denison St in Markham.
Stouffville Line GO Expansion.What We're Building
Learn more about the stations and structures being built on the Stouffville Line.www.metrolinxengage.com
ML seems serious about making the Stouffville Line fully grade separated to Unionville. It's hard to imagine running frequencies of even every 15 min with boom gates going up and down, so I'm pretty sure they're all going to happen, but given how long it's taking Steeles, we can get an idea of when this is all going to be done.
Undead
Senior Member
Yes, isn't Stouffville planned for 7.5 minute peak frequencies between Union and Unionville? I believe that was in one of the RER business case docs.
ARG1
Senior Member
I guess this might be the reason why Barrie weekend service is significantly delayed.
robmausser
Senior Member
Yes, which is what they should be saying! "Service as quick as every 7 minutes"
crs1026
Superstar
Always underpromise and over deliver.
But without a timeline, what’s the attraction? It’s all “pot of gold at the end of the rainbow” until they tell us when they are aiming to deliver. Hint: It’s a lot further away than it sounds.
- Paul
But without a timeline, what’s the attraction? It’s all “pot of gold at the end of the rainbow” until they tell us when they are aiming to deliver. Hint: It’s a lot further away than it sounds.
- Paul