reaperexpress
Senior Member
What exactly do you think was I suggesting?
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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sixrings
Senior Member
I’ve reread our conversations and I simply disagree that transit city was pitched as rapid transit. So we are coming at this from vastly different perspectives. Also the e would have to define rapid transit. I think what matters the most as a transit rider time wise is what is my transit time at the busiest time of the day… rush hour. Just the fact that transit city was in its own row was a big win for routes that would have their buses often competing with cars in gridlock. Also transit city stop spacing is larger than the local bus stop spacing. So it’s faster in that regard as well. I also looked at transit city as city building and making complete streets. So we would have lrt in a row. Car lanes. Bike lanes. Sidewalks. That was a part of the transit city pitch in all the meetings I went to. So it was more rapid than the bus it would be replacing because of larger stop spacing and its own row. While it would also be a better quality ride on rails than a bus weaving in and out of traffic. I see these as wins.
Transit city to me was a quality service to get people to the rapid transit whether a GO train and or a Subway.
drum118
Superstar
Are you saying Jane St, and Sheppard were not RT lines with stations spread future apart than normal? What about the SRT extension to Malvern??
sixrings
Senior Member
I’m saying that all the transit city lines had stop spacing further than their bus counterparts (correct me if I am wrong) Combined that with a right of way the transit city lines are in fact rapid on comparison to what they are replacing. Rapid is all relative to what we are comparing it to.
But again I thought transit city was more about upscaling the form of transit and making complete streets to get people to GO stations and Subways stations than it was about making a c train or o train line.
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ownthesky
Active Member
Checked out Confederation on my bike ride to Niagara today. The exterior is looking fantastic. Bittersweet to think it’s taken this long and Grimsby’s station hasn’t even broken ground…
Given how grand the station is, I really hope they plan to offer some decent service frequencies at launch!
Given how grand the station is, I really hope they plan to offer some decent service frequencies at launch!
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SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Awesome pictures. My understanding is that CN will allow GO to run trains hourly here. Let’s see if we actually get hourly service at launch…
WB62
Senior Member
I noticed it a few months ago but it’s piqued my curiosity now, why did they decide to install 2x the number of lamp posts on the Confederation platforms? I don’t think single sided posts like that are a thing anywhere else on the network
ownthesky
Active Member
Is anyone familiar with what the final track layout will be for Confederation Station? Will there simply be a track shift and the Grimsby Sub will run through the platforms?
drum118
Superstar
From what I have seen. it will be track shifting as there is no need to put in switches at this time. Down the road, a switch will be needed at the east end with the 3rd track to West Harbour.
ownthesky
Active Member
Would the lack of a switch impact the ability of Confederation to act as the terminus of a Q60 minute regimen or are there switches further West in Hamilton that can perform this function? I say this only because there has been little information about what frequency Confederation is expected to launch with, if it's going to match West Harbour or just be essentially a new Niagara station.
crs1026
Superstar
Under the current schedule, trains lay over at West Harbour for 16ish minutes. That's a little short to extend the run to Confederation, change ends, and return to West Harbour to depart per the current schedule..
In theory, one would adjust the schedules so that trains would meet on existing double track - eg at West Harbour, where there are two platforms - but there are knock-on impacts down the schedule as this would affect where trains pass all the way to Oshawa.
Alternatively, one could possibly change the timing of trains so that the half-hourly eastbound trains turn back at Aldershot on the 30-minute offset from at present, and Toronto bound deprtures at West Harbour shift by 30 minutes.. That might have impacts as well.
So, most likely, the existing schedule will stand and one would need trains to pass somewhere east of West Harbour....possibly right at Confederation. That would require turnouts and a tail track.
Also, even if a direct turnaround were possible, there would have to be a new controlled signal at the west end of the Confederation platform, governing the reverse move back to West Harbour. It remains to be seen if that's going to happen.
So short answer - looks like Confed will be a stop for Niagara trains.
- Paul
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Allandale25
Senior Member
Delayed reopening of West Toronto Railpath has some local businesses bleeding sales
The owner of Gaspar Cafe in the Junction Triangle said his sales are down 25 per cent since a portion of the railpath closed, and he’s had to lay off two staff members to stay afloat
www.torontotoday.ca
robmausser
Senior Member
Delayed reopening of West Toronto Railpath has some local businesses bleeding sales
The owner of Gaspar Cafe in the Junction Triangle said his sales are down 25 per cent since a portion of the railpath closed, and he’s had to lay off two staff members to stay afloat
So bizarre how sales are down from the closure of this MUP but when you build bike lanes on the street they magically kill businesses instead of bring more customers.... huh....interesting indeed...
That being said its nice to see some data that particular MUPs like these are actually economic benefits and not just some fancy parks for people to walk their dog in as some people view them.
drum118
Superstar
June 7
More up on my site
When time comes to replace the centre 2 track bridge over Danforth, the existing side piers will be move a few feet from where they are to match the 2 side bridges to allow Danforth to be come a 6 lane road, At the same time, the centre pier will be rebuilt to match the 2 side bridges that will increase the clearance compared to what exist today. Raising of the Warden Ave centre bridge will happen also when that bridge is replace.
As far as I could see, grading is taking place for the 4th track for Warden and Danforth area.
More up on my site
When time comes to replace the centre 2 track bridge over Danforth, the existing side piers will be move a few feet from where they are to match the 2 side bridges to allow Danforth to be come a 6 lane road, At the same time, the centre pier will be rebuilt to match the 2 side bridges that will increase the clearance compared to what exist today. Raising of the Warden Ave centre bridge will happen also when that bridge is replace.
As far as I could see, grading is taking place for the 4th track for Warden and Danforth area.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
It's not to do with the type of infrastructure, it's to do with change. If you add a bike lane, businesses complain. If you remove a bike lane, businesses complain.
https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2...esses-tell-ford-to-back-off-bloor-bike-lanes/
In the end, planners and politicians need to account for the fact that people have an intrinsic fear of change, and the demands of the community doesn't necessarily align with the best interest of the community.
https://tcat.ca/resources/bloor-street-economic-impact-studies/