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I thought we were Can-ada, not Can't-nada?I don't see many outer suburbs getting robust local bus service, good enough to replace cars. Not in this century at least.
I thought we were Can-ada, not Can't-nada?I don't see many outer suburbs getting robust local bus service, good enough to replace cars. Not in this century at least.
Not sure if people have seen this yet, but Metrolinx recently added a new section under Future Transit Planning related to improving access to Go stations (transits, bikes, walking etc.)
GO Rail Station Access
Exploring future transportation options and amenities to help make access to GO stations easier.www.metrolinx.com
That's part of the same report (12 of the 315 pages - specifically pages 270 to 281)Also found this in this report https://assets.metrolinx.com/image/...ment_B_-_GO_Rail_Station_Access_EN_jbce3i.pdf
The decommissioning would be in concert with the opening of the GO station on Highway 27, near the new Woodbine racetrack - hopefully intersecting a short Line 6 extension. Hopefully they can find a better name than Woodbine GO, given the existence of the TTC Woodbine station.I was unaware that Etobicoke North is being planed to be decommissioned. That's a significant service gap (~11Km) between stations (Weston to Malton) in a region that has a ton of higher order roadway access (427, 27, 409, 401) and very little in terms of public transit. I realize that there are new stations in the hopper (Mt Dennis, and Person transit hub) but I can't believe that they can't find a business case for a station located off of either Islington/Kipling/Martin Grove, which are major N/S routes for the TTC in the West end.
Frankly, inside 10 years I expect rideshare (robotaxi) to supplant a lot of parking. Especially if GO charged for parking on a cost-recovery basis. There are robotaxis in service today in Phoenix and SF.I live 2 km north of Square One. Except for people within 1 km of Square One, everyone else will still a bus or a car.
One could also say that they were built so large to accommodate future demand. With GO expansion, traffic on GO is expected to rise multifold. But we can't expect multifold improvement in local transit. People will still need to drive their cars and in next 10 years, there will be a lot more of them.
It's still better to have people drive 5 km to GO than having them drive 30 km to their workplace. Downtown is already congested, we don't want to see more cars there.
To be fair, Rob Ford was on crack when he said the Woodbine redevelopment was an early win.PS - The Woodbine station commitment was celebrated by Ford as an early win for transit-oriented development in partnership with private interests. If the private developers are now dragging their feet, that's a fail for the Ford approach, and ML ought to fess up on that failure.
Cycling isn't always feasible - snow, rain, too sunny, wearing clothing not appropriate for cycling, no bike lanes (yet), cars driving at 70-80 next to you, etc.Frankly, inside 10 years I expect rideshare (robotaxi) to supplant a lot of parking. Especially if GO charged for parking on a cost-recovery basis. There are robotaxis in service today in Phoenix and SF.
2km is nothing for cycling. With decent cycling facilities, 2 km is an 8 minute bike ride at a very casual 15 kph.
lol, I am being practical over optimistic.I thought we were Can-ada, not Can't-nada?
ML has stated the Etobicoke Station will remain open until the new Woodbine GO Station can open, when every that will be these days. Timeframe has come and gone for Woodbine caused by either the P3 hasn't got off the ground, waiting for the new operation team to come up with a timetable to build it or lack of fund to do it, Then what is going to happen for an GTTA Hub that will be service by both direction?? So many questions, but very few answers.^ I went hunting and couldn't find, but I am sure I remember, some politician committing that Etobicoke North would not be closed until Woodbine is opened.
Personally I don't think that is a sensible trade, Etobicoke North is not in a perfect location, but in the Woodbine site study there was a lot said to the effect that Woodbine was a better spot for bus and car connectivity, so somebody must have data on that.
- Paul
PS - The Woodbine station commitment was celebrated by Ford as an early win for transit-oriented development in partnership with private interests. If the private developers are now dragging their feet, that's a fail for the Ford approach, and ML ought to fess up on that failure.
It doesn't cost much to put in cycling infra, compared to Garage Mahals. The point being is that it is not a law of the universe that only park and ride can deliver passengers to a GO station. In fact, we can never build enough parking to support the kind of ridership a frequent 2WAD service can drive.Cycling isn't always feasible - snow, rain, too sunny, wearing clothing not appropriate for cycling, no bike lanes (yet), cars driving at 70-80 next to you, etc.
lol, I am being practical over optimistic.
But this station is so close to exhibitionThey are full length, ~300m platforms: