Bordercollie
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Finch West Line 6 LRT
- Thread starter Monarch Butterfly
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not_taylor
New Member
Just took Line 6 EB again today and noticed a significant speed improvement since the last time I used the service. Departed Humber College at 18:35 and arrived 19:08 at Finch West (33 min travel time). Only hit 3 reds (Albion, Jane, and Sentinel).
Operator also seemed much more comfortable operating the train and we hit line speed between nearly every station segment. It almost seemed like enhanced TSP was functioning given that signal after signal changed to green immediately in front of us.
Most noticeable issues with the speeds are now the slow performance around curves and the 25 limit through intersections, which is noticeably more strictly adhered to compared to streetcars/Line 5.
Operator also seemed much more comfortable operating the train and we hit line speed between nearly every station segment. It almost seemed like enhanced TSP was functioning given that signal after signal changed to green immediately in front of us.
Most noticeable issues with the speeds are now the slow performance around curves and the 25 limit through intersections, which is noticeably more strictly adhered to compared to streetcars/Line 5.
Milaisacat
Active Member
Agreed. It's infuriating to have operational policy dictated by the equivalent of an annoying university seminar debate over terminology that derails the whole class.
LRT = Tram = Streetcar.
Line design and operating plan is the whole ballgame. We don't have a different set of road rules for cars and horseless carriages, after all.
ey2470
New Member
Report on my Line 6 ride today after 7pm:
- Acceleration and braking were much more aggresive than a month ago, maybe even more so than on Line 5. The drivers seemed to be gunning it and we constantly hit 55-60km/h.
- TSP was there but it seems the timing was not adjusted to the improved schedule: we just missed the light a few times and needed to wait for the whole light cycle.
- 35km/h at intersections and 25km/h at stations.
- We came to a crawl at 5km/h west of Pearldale and stopped at Rowntree Mills station for more than a minute. We slowed again just before Martin Grove. I guess there is a slow zone in place west bound.
- Ride quality was fine on the westbound train but much worse on another eastbound train.
- Total travel time westbound from Finch West to Humber college was ~35 minutes including the slow down. Eastbound from Stevenson to Finch West was ~23 minutes.
Great improvents overall and I think it is realistic to get the line under 30 minutes if they lift the speed restrictions and fine tune the TSP.
- Acceleration and braking were much more aggresive than a month ago, maybe even more so than on Line 5. The drivers seemed to be gunning it and we constantly hit 55-60km/h.
- TSP was there but it seems the timing was not adjusted to the improved schedule: we just missed the light a few times and needed to wait for the whole light cycle.
- 35km/h at intersections and 25km/h at stations.
- We came to a crawl at 5km/h west of Pearldale and stopped at Rowntree Mills station for more than a minute. We slowed again just before Martin Grove. I guess there is a slow zone in place west bound.
- Ride quality was fine on the westbound train but much worse on another eastbound train.
- Total travel time westbound from Finch West to Humber college was ~35 minutes including the slow down. Eastbound from Stevenson to Finch West was ~23 minutes.
Great improvents overall and I think it is realistic to get the line under 30 minutes if they lift the speed restrictions and fine tune the TSP.
duffo
Active Member
It's wild how operator-specific this must be - I took it last week and it was 45 mins end to end, with many straight open sections that felt bewilderingly slow
NY99
Active Member
I do wonder... could one factor for the extreme bunching we see on some streetcar lines be a high variability in adherence to the TTC's outrageous operating standards?
Mihairokov
Senior Member
Yes, I really appreciate when a streetcar driver is noticably more aggressive with lights, especially on King where there is generally less traffic ahead or crossing.
adys123
Active Member
Oh this is definitely a factor, when schedules are excessively padded it definitely creates more operator variance than if they were more aggressively scheduled.
Burnt creek
Active Member
Glad to see point #5
5. Streetcar Stop Balancing: A network-wide review of streetcar stop spacing is in progress, informed by international benchmarks and accessibility best practices. Recommendations will align with future updated Service Standards.
For line 6 they need to at least try to get close to that standard benchmark of: # Stops = length of the line in Km's
doublemint
New Member
Pretty sure the city doesn't have any control over that, especially because the TTC are just operators. Province is gonna look at that as them "wasting tax dollars" and shut it down immediately.
urbanclient
Active Member
Apparently next train arrival data is public now (from Reddit):
nfitz
Superstar
That's TransSee - and it looks like it's the same schedule information that's been there since 2025; rather than location information. If you look at the bus and streetcar routes, it shows the vehicle number in this screen.
adys123
Active Member
The subway never had vehicle locations, and uses a different API than the bus/streetcar, which is GTFS-RT/NextBus. The API endpoint is here: ntas.ttc.ca/api/ntas/get-next-train-time/16323 (where the last 5 digits is the stop code). You can see from the Line 1 API output that it only shows the next 3 trains without vehicle numbers, exactly what's shown on the screens (ntas.ttc.ca/api/ntas/get-next-train-time/13795).
nfitz
Superstar
I'm not sure I've realised that Line 1/2/4 was real data, with the relatively accurate data on the screens (unlike Line 5), I've never thought to check.
Looking at Line 6 now, in the cold light of day, using the desktop version with more details showing - it says the predictions are based on schedule (still). The terrible frequency is disappointing.
drum118
Superstar
April 27
Have a looked at Line 6 today and what a mess.
There is a sign on line 6 saying elevators are out of service for a few moths either a Finch or Yonge Station. I thought I took a photo of it but end up not doing it.
Next train say one thing and the LRV shows up sooner or later that posted arrival. Saw as much as 15 minutes for the next eastbound and 5 minutes later it shows up.
Traffic lights the same as Line 5 with left turning taking place last.
Speed is still slow especially between Kipling and Islington as a few ran near the speed limit well the rest in the 40's for a 60 zone. Did clock one and it did 55 but mostly over 50 going east.
Bike lanes are still not open to the point traffic was using it to get around road construction. Sidewalks and corners being rebuilt as they were done poorly.
Shooting off the walkway, I watch 4 pickups at various time park on the bike lane that were single drivers. One left anther arrive to take its spot. They finally got out and started talking and I had no clue what was taking place. A few minutes later another pickup stop under the walkway and started to close the inside lane with pillions and a sign shift to the right. As I was leaving, a six pickup pull up and they all walk over to the walkway. Someone pointed to either the walkway or the overhead and did not hang around as I was running latte
I did notices all the LRV's have their numbers on the roof in two spots that are very large and do not recall seeing this in the past.
As I noted, some road work taking place in various spots as well curb work and nothing done for the CPKC bridge.
After I left the :LRV that I was clocking, the next vehicle was all over the place from 6 minutes and down to two at Norfinch and no sign of it in my rear view and hitting green light at 5 over the limit since rest of the traffic was doing it and more.
Have a looked at Line 6 today and what a mess.
There is a sign on line 6 saying elevators are out of service for a few moths either a Finch or Yonge Station. I thought I took a photo of it but end up not doing it.
Next train say one thing and the LRV shows up sooner or later that posted arrival. Saw as much as 15 minutes for the next eastbound and 5 minutes later it shows up.
Traffic lights the same as Line 5 with left turning taking place last.
Speed is still slow especially between Kipling and Islington as a few ran near the speed limit well the rest in the 40's for a 60 zone. Did clock one and it did 55 but mostly over 50 going east.
Bike lanes are still not open to the point traffic was using it to get around road construction. Sidewalks and corners being rebuilt as they were done poorly.
Shooting off the walkway, I watch 4 pickups at various time park on the bike lane that were single drivers. One left anther arrive to take its spot. They finally got out and started talking and I had no clue what was taking place. A few minutes later another pickup stop under the walkway and started to close the inside lane with pillions and a sign shift to the right. As I was leaving, a six pickup pull up and they all walk over to the walkway. Someone pointed to either the walkway or the overhead and did not hang around as I was running latte
I did notices all the LRV's have their numbers on the roof in two spots that are very large and do not recall seeing this in the past.
As I noted, some road work taking place in various spots as well curb work and nothing done for the CPKC bridge.
After I left the :LRV that I was clocking, the next vehicle was all over the place from 6 minutes and down to two at Norfinch and no sign of it in my rear view and hitting green light at 5 over the limit since rest of the traffic was doing it and more.