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Finch West Line 6 LRT

At least the MSF has been built with the potential of future extensions in mind - with capacity for 26 vehicles from opening (8 more than required). And by the looks of the built layout, you could probably squeeze a few more storage tracks in the footprint too.
 
Really uninformed question: in the eastbound case, is there any advantage to having the LRT duck south to connect to Sheppard instead of Finch? This is purely me crayoning.
 
Really uninformed question: in the eastbound case, is there any advantage to having the LRT duck south to connect to Sheppard instead of Finch? This is purely me crayoning.
For ease of continued trips east and regional connectivity benefits, yes there is a advantage - in fact, Metrolinx tested a few options in the early 2010s as part of the Planning process - including a continuous LRT to Don Mills, LRT to Shepard-Yonge, extension of the subway to (then) Downsview etc.
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However, the Environmental Assessment (links down the page) for the line has the line as far as Yonge St (Finch Station) - much easier to build this "approved" line.

Any other extension options east such as a LRT extension to Sheppard-Yonge, or a subway extension to Sheppard West (don't be surprised if some councillors try to push that instead :rolleyes:) would require an EA.
 
The extension east to Yonge is not even being considered, yet the EA has already been done.
That would take away passengers from the Sheppard West extension business case so I would expect them to not even approach that extension as long as Sheppard West is still considered "in plan".
 
For ease of continued trips east and regional connectivity benefits, yes there is a advantage - in fact, Metrolinx tested a few options in the early 2010s as part of the Planning process - including a continuous LRT to Don Mills, LRT to Shepard-Yonge, extension of the subway to (then) Downsview etc.View attachment 318040

However, the Environmental Assessment (links down the page) for the line has the line as far as Yonge St (Finch Station) - much easier to build this "approved" line.

Any other extension options east such as a LRT extension to Sheppard-Yonge, or a subway extension to Sheppard West (don't be surprised if some councillors try to push that instead :rolleyes:) would require an EA.
Originally there was a Don Mills and Sheppard East Line that would allow a continuous route from Etobicoke to Scarborough. How would the connection be build at Don Mills was not really considered. Especially since Sheppard East LRT platform was suppose to be on the same level as the existing subway platform meaning it is a dead end. As for Finch LRT, Finch/Yonge station never made it past the concept stage. All they want is an underground connection. How deep and how it would connect to the existing Finch Station subway station was never shown officially.
 
Originally there was a Don Mills and Sheppard East Line that would allow a continuous route from Etobicoke to Scarborough. How would the connection be build at Don Mills was not really considered. Especially since Sheppard East LRT platform was suppose to be on the same level as the existing subway platform meaning it is a dead end. As for Finch LRT, Finch/Yonge station never made it past the concept stage. All they want is an underground connection. How deep and how it would connect to the existing Finch Station subway station was never shown officially.
Its almost amazing how little actual studies there was for Transit City, like it was just lines on a map without any actual thought on how the lines would integrate with eachother and with existing stations.
 
As for Finch LRT, Finch/Yonge station never made it past the concept stage. All they want is an underground connection. How deep and how it would connect to the existing Finch Station subway station was never shown officially.
This is not the case - as mentioned, the EA documents clearly shows how the route would reach Finch. The station would be built above the subway tunnel, below Finch Ave.
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The Finch LRT east to Yonge makes sense from a capacity point of view but no sense from a connectivity point of view. There needs to be a continuous way to go from the north-west end of the city to the north-east.

The LRT alignment would be a slow option that forces rides to transfer twice to take Line 1 two stops. Personally in favour of the Sheppard subway turning north and running elevated along Finch to Finch West station. Alternatively, the Sheppard line goes along Sheppard or Wilson past the west side of the U and then curves upwards to meet a major FWLRT stop.
So some linear transfers are ok?
 
The Finch LRT east to Yonge makes sense from a capacity point of view but no sense from a connectivity point of view. There needs to be a continuous way to go from the north-west end of the city to the north-east.

The LRT alignment would be a slow option that forces rides to transfer twice to take Line 1 two stops. Personally in favour of the Sheppard subway turning north and running elevated along Finch to Finch West station. Alternatively, the Sheppard line goes along Sheppard or Wilson past the west side of the U and then curves upwards to meet a major FWLRT stop.

This is why Sheppard needs to be estended to the Airport in the west and STC in the east. It would be faster than the LRTs and able to carry more people.
 
Makes you wonder what the subway could have been if it more closely followed the demand from original streetcar routes. I'm picturing a downtown that is much easier to get around if the western side of the U went up Bathurst instead of University/Spadina. If Line 1 ended at Eglinton and that money was spent on a King/Queen St. line and a Dundas/Pape line, we'd be living in another world in terms of connectivity and density downtown.

This is why Sheppard needs to be estended to the Airport in the west and STC in the east. It would be faster than the LRTs and able to carry more people.
To Pickering Airport? Maybe 2054 or beyond?

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From link.
 
One transfer to go east-west is better than two. The Finch line and Sheppard line use different technologies so unless the Sheppard tunnel was converted to LRT specs (probably very expensive), there is always going to be one transfer at a minimum.
What about the people on finch east of dufferin. They would have a linear transfer. So you’re adding one there. And what about the people on sheppard west of Keele. They would get another linear transfer.
 
One transfer to go east-west is better than two. The Finch line and Sheppard line use different technologies so unless the Sheppard tunnel was converted to LRT specs (probably very expensive), there is always going to be one transfer at a minimum.
What's probably the most logical solution is to just have the Finch West LRT and Sheppard Subway be distinct but run in parallel, similar I guess to the setup that St. Clair LRT has with Line 2. West of Sheppard West the Sheppard Line can turn south and run along the 401 above ground where it eventually reaches Pearson. Having 2 interchanges to reach a destination is generally okay - as an example the parisian metro model is literally that you should be able to get between two parts of the city with 2 interchanges or less, the problem that is occurring with Linear Transfers like the Scarborough RT or the proposed Sheppard East LRT to Sheppard Line, or a theoretical Don Mills LRT to DRL is that they inflate the amount of transfers someone has to do to get from Point A to Point B for no network benefit other than saving on capital costs. Unfortunately people like @sixrings seem to have a lot of trouble understanding this, or the concept of tradeoffs.
 
What's probably the most logical solution is to just have the Finch West LRT and Sheppard Subway be distinct but run in parallel, similar I guess to the setup that St. Clair LRT has with Line 2. West of Sheppard West the Sheppard Line can turn south and run along the 401 above ground where it eventually reaches Pearson. Having 2 interchanges to reach a destination is generally okay - as an example the parisian metro model is literally that you should be able to get between two parts of the city with 2 interchanges or less, the problem that is occurring with Linear Transfers like the Scarborough RT or the proposed Sheppard East LRT to Sheppard Line, or a theoretical Don Mills LRT to DRL is that they inflate the amount of transfers someone has to do to get from Point A to Point B for no network benefit other than saving on capital costs. Unfortunately people like @sixrings seem to have a lot of trouble understanding this, or the concept of tradeoffs.
I would like to see the number of people who are travelling from finch west to sheppard east before I start merging two lines. My ideal plan would be lrt on finch to Yonge and then sheppard can be a subway from sheppard west to Victoria park. Agajn the real question is how many people are travelling from sheppard east to finch west that a merger makes sense.
 
What's probably the most logical solution is to just have the Finch West LRT and Sheppard Subway be distinct but run in parallel, similar I guess to the setup that St. Clair LRT has with Line 2. West of Sheppard West the Sheppard Line can turn south and run along the 401 above ground where it eventually reaches Pearson. Having 2 interchanges to reach a destination is generally okay - as an example the parisian metro model is literally that you should be able to get between two parts of the city with 2 interchanges or less, the problem that is occurring with Linear Transfers like the Scarborough RT or the proposed Sheppard East LRT to Sheppard Line, or a theoretical Don Mills LRT to DRL is that they inflate the amount of transfers someone has to do to get from Point A to Point B for no network benefit other than saving on capital costs. Unfortunately people like @sixrings seem to have a lot of trouble understanding this, or the concept of tradeoffs.
If they had put TWO terminal stations at UNION, we would have had two parallel subway lines. The two legs of Line 1 are relatively close together. In North York, they are two concession roads (arterial roads) apart along Sheppard, and three concession roads (arterial roads) apart along Finch. Concession roads in North York are 2 kilometres apart.

Finch is the first concession road north of Sheppard.

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