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Allandale25
Senior Member
Close vote. Not often can it be said there are exciting times in... Whitby.
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Whitby approves BRT plan by narrow 5-4 vote | INsauga
It was a long and at times, fractious debate at Whitby Council Monday night but the 5-4 vote means the Town and Metrolinx will be going forward with the Durham-Scarborough Rapid Bus Line (BRT), pinch points and all. The BRT will travel the 36 kilometres from Scarborough to downtown Oshawa (and...
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allengeorge
Senior Member
Let’s get some transit built!
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Decided to do some foaming of the first day of the 917 to the Zoo. I think it’s a great addition and I’m looking forward to trying it one day. Right now it’s every 1 to 2 hours on weekends and holidays only, but I hope this becomes a regular route in the near future.
Coolstar
Senior Member
Wow. This is the worst one yet.
Petition. https://www.change.org/p/province-o...ed_by_id=27f6e950-bbe5-11eb-b5a0-c92cc2062005
Petition. https://www.change.org/p/province-o...ed_by_id=27f6e950-bbe5-11eb-b5a0-c92cc2062005
Nomad_87
Active Member
reading some of the comments on this petition..... I'm not one for petty insults most of the time, but these people are absolute morons
KhalilHeron
Active Member
Literally no brains. Although the tweet is worng it does go right through the middle of highland creek.
H4F33Z
Active Member
What also annoys me is that it assumes that everyone living in Highland Creek and the area only drive! And everyone in the comments are annoyingly saying that they need to drive to a local destination like a grocery store or library. This project will not only improve bus service locally and regionally, but it'll also provide proper sidewalks, and cycle tracks to allow that local movement.
But I will agree that the section east of Meadowvale is more like a residential road than the rest of the corridor. So some of the concerns are reasonably placed.
Concerns about noise from buses can be reduced from electric and hybrid vehicles. And they already have buses running along Ellesmere so they have a problem with that?
No more parking on the road? too bad! These residents are spoiled with double driveways and double garages. I don't even want to listen to complaints like these.
The concerns about turning movements are fair, now the residents can't turn freely like they used to, boo-hoo. But their travel patterns will simply evolve to doing u-turns at either intersection. No more different than residential roads with a median, and it might just be 30 more seconds to get to their house.
The road is already one lane in each direction, so this shouldn't change traffic or traffic patterns. People can use Kingston or Ellesmere.
And yes, these residents are getting high-quality and frequent transit, as well as cycle tracks. So arguements that stem from car-obsessiveness need to evolve to think about everyone. And not just people who drive.
But I will agree that the section east of Meadowvale is more like a residential road than the rest of the corridor. So some of the concerns are reasonably placed.
Concerns about noise from buses can be reduced from electric and hybrid vehicles. And they already have buses running along Ellesmere so they have a problem with that?
No more parking on the road? too bad! These residents are spoiled with double driveways and double garages. I don't even want to listen to complaints like these.
The concerns about turning movements are fair, now the residents can't turn freely like they used to, boo-hoo. But their travel patterns will simply evolve to doing u-turns at either intersection. No more different than residential roads with a median, and it might just be 30 more seconds to get to their house.
The road is already one lane in each direction, so this shouldn't change traffic or traffic patterns. People can use Kingston or Ellesmere.
And yes, these residents are getting high-quality and frequent transit, as well as cycle tracks. So arguements that stem from car-obsessiveness need to evolve to think about everyone. And not just people who drive.
Northern Light
Superstar
The Pulse/BRT is touched on in the Transit Project Update headed to next week's Executive Ctte meeting.
Report here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-168614.pdf
From said report:
Report here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-168614.pdf
From said report:
Allandale25
Senior Member
Whitby Mayor calls the BRT downtown plan the "least-worst option" | INsauga
It is not the way they wanted it to happen, but after nearly 200 years of small-town life, Whitby is finally being dragged into the 21st century. The Durham-Scarborough Rapid Bus Transit Line (BRT) is on its way, and the Metrolinx plan to bring rapid bus transit into Durham has been met by the...
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Northern Light
Superstar
Not just Whitby being whiny...............Councillor McKelvie has a member motion opposed to a dedicated median on Ellesmere coming to next week's Council meeting.
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Allandale25
Senior Member
^ It passed, which I guess isn't surprising since Council tends to defer to the local Councillor.
Meanwhile:
Via Richard Oldfield on the Facebook group "My Transit Page":
"Picture of the day? Actually the sign in the first picture is one of many on front lawns of numerous properties throughout downtown Whitby. Metrolinx has been doing studies and holding on line public information meetings on putting separate bus lanes for the DRT Pulse “BRT” route through Whitby and Oshawa. In the last few years bus only lanes has been constructed through the west end of the Region in Pickering and Ajax. Similar lanes will be constructed all the way into the east end of the Region and may include some bus transit lanes in the centre median.
But the biggest controversy is in Whitby where the initial proposal was to construct a pedestrian mall at the four corners downtown at Highway 2 and Brock Street with only bus lanes going through. This sparked outrage from downtown merchants not wanting to lose on street parking meters and nearby neighbours alarmed by the idea all car traffic east and west would be diverted to adjacent side streets. A number of local politicians took up the cause and there now appears to be some concession to maintain east west traffic on Highway 2 in addition to the two bus lanes. Another proposal to have one lane for regular eastbound traffic only, with westbound traffic diverted to side streets was also met with strong opposition. The end result may simply be the removal parking meters on this stretch of Highway 2, leaving two bus lanes and two regular lanes but the entire exercise certainly shows how narrow minded people are here. In Europe pedestrian malls are commonplace, with transit priority in place. In Whitby residents are fighting additional car traffic on their streets, not buses, which were never intended to be removed from Highway 2.
One thing I can tell you from operating Pulse buses is that downtown Whitby has always been the big bottleneck between Scarborough and Oshawa, and the only place west of downtown Oshawa that allowed parking on Highway 2. All parked was prohibited from 4:30 to 6 pm but I can also tell you it was rare to be able to get through downtown Whitby in either direction at any time of day without having to change lanes due to cars being parked on the street."
Meanwhile:
Via Richard Oldfield on the Facebook group "My Transit Page":
"Picture of the day? Actually the sign in the first picture is one of many on front lawns of numerous properties throughout downtown Whitby. Metrolinx has been doing studies and holding on line public information meetings on putting separate bus lanes for the DRT Pulse “BRT” route through Whitby and Oshawa. In the last few years bus only lanes has been constructed through the west end of the Region in Pickering and Ajax. Similar lanes will be constructed all the way into the east end of the Region and may include some bus transit lanes in the centre median.
But the biggest controversy is in Whitby where the initial proposal was to construct a pedestrian mall at the four corners downtown at Highway 2 and Brock Street with only bus lanes going through. This sparked outrage from downtown merchants not wanting to lose on street parking meters and nearby neighbours alarmed by the idea all car traffic east and west would be diverted to adjacent side streets. A number of local politicians took up the cause and there now appears to be some concession to maintain east west traffic on Highway 2 in addition to the two bus lanes. Another proposal to have one lane for regular eastbound traffic only, with westbound traffic diverted to side streets was also met with strong opposition. The end result may simply be the removal parking meters on this stretch of Highway 2, leaving two bus lanes and two regular lanes but the entire exercise certainly shows how narrow minded people are here. In Europe pedestrian malls are commonplace, with transit priority in place. In Whitby residents are fighting additional car traffic on their streets, not buses, which were never intended to be removed from Highway 2.
One thing I can tell you from operating Pulse buses is that downtown Whitby has always been the big bottleneck between Scarborough and Oshawa, and the only place west of downtown Oshawa that allowed parking on Highway 2. All parked was prohibited from 4:30 to 6 pm but I can also tell you it was rare to be able to get through downtown Whitby in either direction at any time of day without having to change lanes due to cars being parked on the street."
Coolstar
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amkn
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Another fear mongering petition. Aldgate has put up ALOT of nimby signs at the Markham/Ellesmere intersection 
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