Does Faith Goldy et al have a point??? | Page 2

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  1. steveintoronto

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    UN says funding of Catholic schools discriminatory
    You're welcome. Now you argue with him, it's right up your alley evidently, rhetorical or not.
     
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    You involved yourself.

    Here's the context you find so baffling:
    To which I answered:
    The intent, since it eludes you, is to point out that Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Seventh Day Adventurists are all discriminatory.

    And further to that, as posted:
    UN says funding of Catholic schools discriminatory
    And further still to that is that *you have to be Catholic in good standing* to teach there. Tie those dots together...Taxpayer funded, and discriminatory.
     
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    EDITORIAL
    Globe editorial: By defending a crucifix, Quebec crosses the line into hypocrisy


    PUBLISHED 4 HOURS AGO UPDATED OCTOBER 11, 2018
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...ding-a-crucifix-quebec-crosses-the-line-into/

    PTL! (Praise the Loud)
     
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    Really? Standing up for gay rights, women's equality and gender equality is socially conservative? Islam goes against almost every form of equality we all fought so hard to obtain.

    I'm sure she will go after the gay community. All religious alt right nuts do attack us.
     
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    Generalizing and trying demonize an entire group of people based on your limited knowledge IS socially conservative. This is no different than "Mexicans are rapists"

    I definitely do not assume you necessarily stand up for women's equality or gender equality, those are just likely convenient throw-ins.
     
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    "She" = Goldy?

    An addendum, a Heretic's Parable as it were:

    I have some very serious issues with some Muslims. Case in point: When they swear at my dog (see note * at end) for being 'unclean' for instance, when they are in a public place, *our* public place. And yet other Muslims I speak to say that's ridiculous. They have dogs, and claim it's nothing to do with the Koran, just uptight, nasty people.

    You find as many zealouts in Christianity, you find them in all religions, as religion is often an identity, not a sharing of higher values. And many Muslims *welcome* the conversation on who they are, what they believe, and why they aspire to the same ideals others do.

    And I'm able to tell them that "I'm a Born Again Heretic"...but I still believe in Good. Most Muslims can respect that and share in the belief of a higher calling, no matter how it's spelt.

    Why so many have such a problem with that is indicative not of a shortcoming of Muslims, but of a shortcoming of themselves.

    Note*:
    DOG SPELLED BACKWARDS: THE GOD MYTH EXAMINED ...

    www.thedogplace.org/HEALTH/Dog-spelled-backwards.asp
     
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    I haven't demonized an entire group. I criticized the ideology. Mexican is not a religion. If Christianity and other religions are open to criticism, so should Islam.

    Name one majority Muslim nation on earth that is not misogynistic, homophobic, anti-Semitic and hostile to minorities? Muslim leaders of these countries believe that violence is an acceptable solution to punish speech, religions and lifestyles they don't agree with.

    Liberal views (civil rights, human rights and freedom of speech) on are the side which would be very much opposed to Islamism and sharia etc in the west and elsewhere.
     
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslim-gay-marriage-maajid-nawaz-lbc-a7851731.html

    Now name me an officially Christian nation that recognizes gay rights.

    Meantime:
    Faith Goldy - Homosexuality Is A SIN
     
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    Ok, so I haven't been around because I've been binge watching Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, Peterson*, Tyson, and Kaku and I'm ready to say with confidence that I am fully done with organised religion. It's a force for evil in the world and a barrier to the progress of humanity.
    Religious apologists will make absurd claims to support their position. For example, calling you socially conservative as an out-of-hand dismissal of you views on Islam. Straight rubbish as an argument. It's not socially conservative to point out the dangers of organised religions. In fact, it's quite the opposite, if anything. Criticising religion is a social good if and where it leads to the neutering of the dangers of religion.
    Followed, of course, by a rubbish equivalency with the orange president's claim of Mexicans being rapists.

    The fact of the matter is that Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Hinduism, Judaism, etc are outdated anthropological relics and a net detriment to humanity especially when and where they impose inhumane conditions on their adherents (ie, genital mutilation in Judaism and Islam) and where they are the direct cause of death and human misery (ie, Daesh, Burma).

    PS: @gabe ...I'm telling you man....go check out some Christopher Hitchens videos. It's good for a laugh.

    *-- Jordan Peterson is actually a theist, I think....I don't really understand his arguments on religion. Something about god being whatever moral foundation one follows or something. So, kinda not about a god, really? Though he is well cognisant of the dangers of moral absolutism so I wouldn't call him a religionist.
     
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    The UK.

    Now, this is predicated on the argument that as Her Majesty is the head of the Anglican Church, it is an officially Christian nation.

    Because it's the only one. (Ok, fine....the Vatican, big deal).

    Unlike Islamic ones of which there are a few (ie, Iran and Saudi Arabia).

    Anyway, what was your point?
    All religions have it wrong, so it's not exactly much sport trying to distinguish between them in this context.
     
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    RE: the OP,

    Faith Goldy is a joker (like, in a bad way, not like how Jimmy Carr is a joker), but so are these event organisers. Her and her colleague should take a page out of the moral relativists' book and take it to the Human Rights Tribunal.

    I don't know why people are so afraid of hearing her speak. Her ideas are easily refutable and she doesn't incite any crimes (in spite of some people's wishes, it's not a crime to offend anyone, thank the universe!).

    The best way to fight someone's argument is to hear it first.
     
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  14. Fresco

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    Religion is a crock of shit. If you really want to understand the universe and the meaning of life I highly recommend you read this book by Adrian Cooper:

    https://www.amazon.ca/Ultimate-Reality-Universe-Destiny-Mankind/dp/0979910609

    .pdf: http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Adrian Cooper - Our Ultimate Reality.pdf
     
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