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Do you support Canada's involvment in Afghanistan?

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Abeja de Almirante

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I have been reading about Canada's involvement in Afghanistan. I have seen websites stating that involvement in Afghanistan is equal to US occupation in Iraq, and should be equally protested.

My view is that Canada is in Afghanistan to protect the local population from the Taliban and to support the democratically elected government. The Taliban were terrible folks, and while it is a shame that we waited until after 9/11 to do anything to help the Afghan people, I am proud that Canada is helping them now.

I do not see America's occupation of Iraq as being equal to NATO's involvement in Afghanistan. There is no oil, wealth or much at all to gain for Canada by participating in Afghanistan, but we go nonetheless.
 
I do not see America's occupation of Iraq as being equal to NATO's involvement in Afghanistan. There is no oil, wealth or much at all to gain for Canada by participating in Afghanistan, but we go nonetheless.

I also don't see them as the same thing. The invasion of Afghanistan and the removal of the Taliban were justified, however, the invasion of Iraq is completely unjustifiable and based on lies. I have no problem with Canada being involved in Afghanistan.

Invading Iraq was not only morally and ethically wrong, but strategically as well. The Americans have basically driven the terrorists out of Afghanistan and given them a new home in Iraq. All for the small price of $500 billion! Pure stupidity.
 
I have never understood the motivation for the USA to go into Iraq. Saddam would have been happy to sell oil to the west and was a good counter to he greater threat of Iran. After the first gulf war, Saddam could have still been controlled. I do not accept that Bush Jr. was simply trying to finish his Dad's business. I think the USA simply fell into a war essentially by mistake and poor governance, not conspiracy.
 
i was just reading up on someting totally unrelated to this thread and found this.....

Unocal was one of the key players in the CentGas consortium, an attempt to build a pipeline to run from the Caspian area, through Afghanistan and probably Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. One of the consultants to Unocal at that time was Zalmay Khalilzad, now US ambassador to Iraq. The CentGas pipeline was not built, due to inability of CentGas and the Taliban to come to a mutually acceptable economic understanding. Shortly thereafter, the US invaded Afghanistan, removing Taliban control from Afghanistan and making moot the question of their remuneration.

Unocal is also the third largest member of the recently completed and opened Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea.

P.S, i ain't saying shit because i don't want to start an argument. it's just an intresting coincidence, that's all.
 
Yes, but with Saddam still in power, friends in Kuwait, Dubai and Qatar, why would the USA need a pipeline through Pakistan to the Indian Ocean.

If this was just about oil, Bush would have been better to leave Saddam alone, and instead invade Venezuela, arrest Chavez and take those oil fields. That said, I don't think the invasion of Iraq was about oil, since Saddam would have been happy to sell it and market prices.
 
If this was just about oil, Bush would have been better to leave Saddam alone, and instead invade Venezuela, arrest Chavez and take those oil fields.

you have to have a reason to invade. you just can't invade because chavez is a socialist.
 
you have to have a reason to invade. you just can't invade because chavez is a socialist.
The War on Drugs has been going on for a lot longer than the War on Terror. Illegal drugs have killed thousands more than 9/11, and put a huge strain on the US government, prisons, hospitals, etc... This would seem a good enough excuse for Bush to take out Chavez, get the oil and leave Saddam. If you believe in hair brained conspiracies of course.
 
so by your logic, they should have also invaded mexico & canada :lol
 
They could take Alberta for their dirty oil and British Columbia for their Grade-A marijuana. Both are burnable in the eyes of the U.S. government anyway.
 
the pretext for world war three will be the war on illiteracy. i heard the U.S is developing a high frequency phonics death ray. :lol

the oil profits recovered from the invaded nations will be used
to build libraries and hire more hall monitors.
 
The most disturbing thing to me about Canada's involvement in Afghanistan is the widespread disinterest, if not indifference, displayed towards it by the large majority of Canadians. It's simply a non-issue in this country for the most part. Troubling.

Abeja:

"I have never understood the motivation for the USA to go into Iraq. Saddam would have been happy to sell oil to the west and was a good counter to he greater threat of Iran."

The invasion wasn't so much about oil itself, as it was about oil as power (amongst other things). Some of the other reasons unveil themselves by simply looking at a map, and noting which countries Iraq borders. From an imperialist point of view, it made plenty of sense.


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from, "The Thirty-Year Itch", by Robert Dreyfuss, March 10, 2003:

( www.motherjones.com/news/...73_01.html )

"In the geopolitical vision driving current U.S. policy toward Iraq, the key to national security is global hegemony -- dominance over any and all potential rivals. To that end, the United States must not only be able to project its military forces anywhere, at any time. It must also control key resources, chief among them oil -- and especially Gulf oil. To the hawks who now set the tone at the White House and the Pentagon, the region is crucial not simply for its share of the U.S. oil supply (other sources have become more important over the years), but because it would allow the United States to maintain a lock on the world's energy lifeline and potentially deny access to its global competitors. The administration "believes you have to control resources in order to have access to them," says Chas Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia under the first President Bush. "They are taken with the idea that the end of the Cold War left the United States able to impose its will globally -- and that those who have the ability to shape events with power have the duty to do so. It's ideology."

Iraq, in this view, is a strategic prize of unparalleled importance. Unlike the oil beneath Alaska's frozen tundra, locked away in the steppes of central Asia, or buried under stormy seas, Iraq's crude is readily accessible and, at less than $1.50 a barrel, some of the cheapest in the world to produce. Already, over the past several months, Western companies have been meeting with Iraqi exiles to try to stake a claim to that bonanza. But while the companies hope to cash in on an American-controlled Iraq, the push to remove Saddam Hussein hasn't been driven by oil executives, many of whom are worried about the consequences of war. Nor are Vice President Cheney and President Bush, both former oilmen, looking at the Gulf simply for the profits that can be earned there. The administration is thinking bigger, much bigger, than that. Says Michael Klare, professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and author of Resource Wars: â€Controlling Iraq is about oil as power, rather than oil as fuel. Control over the Persian Gulf translates into control over Europe, Japan, and China. It's having our hand on the spigotâ€..."

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If that doesn't help convince, perhaps this will:

"Whoever controls the flow of Persian Gulf oil has a stranglehold not only on our economy but also on the other countries of the world as well."

- Dick Cheney, 1990


And brush up on this to remember what all of this is really about:

www.newamericancentury.or...fenses.pdf

from the above linked document (produced by Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Eliot Cohen, and other such 'visionary' neocon luminaries)...

"The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

" ESTABLISH FOUR CORE MISSIONS for U.S. military forces:
• defend the American homeland;
• fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars;
• perform the “constabulary†duties associated with shaping the security environment in
critical regions;
• transform U.S. forces to exploit the “revolution in military affairs;†"


Starting to finally get it yet? The invasion was step one towards literally controlling the world. The imminent war with Iran will be step two. That sounds crazy because it is - but terrifyingly, it is also true. And we haven't even mentioned feeding the military-industrial complex yet, or looting the US treasury via Halliburton, etc...

I'm just glad we could at least play a small supporting role in such a glorious and admirable project by holding the fort in Afghanistan while the American troops moved on to more important matters in Iraq (and beyond). Gettin' all misty with national pride...
 
The most disturbing thing to me about Canada's involvement in Afghanistan is the widespread disinterest, if not indifference, displayed towards it by the large majority of Canadians. It's simply a non-issue in this country for the most part. Troubling.
I think a visit to the troops by the new Prime Minister may help. I think the average Canadian does not even know we've sent over 2,000 troops to Afghanistan. The only other way to get Canadian's interest in the mission and the troops will, unfortunately, be when a few hundred come back in body bags.
 
"The most disturbing thing to me about Canada's involvement in Afghanistan is the widespread disinterest, if not indifference, displayed towards it by the large majority of Canadians. It's simply a non-issue in this country for the most part. Troubling."

I know what you mean but couldn't the opposite argument be made? We have committed an incredibly disproportionate amount of energy and focused endlesss discussion on this region compared to many others that are of greater strategic and emotional importance to many Canadians.
 

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