Aplus23
Active Member
No farm land in Scarborough. Steeles and Finch could use more density, but again with no public transit anywhere near those two main roads, it's mostly industrial. But farmland? Nah bruh
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No farm land in Scarborough. Steeles and Finch could use more density, but again with no public transit anywhere near those two main roads, it's mostly industrial. But farmland? Nah bruh
Steve X
Senior Member
Should they extend Line 4 eastwards, they can't build minimal stations to reduce cost. They should have totally build a station at Eglinton/Brimley on SSE but omitted due to cost.
Seriously what is good about this subway? I'll see the 85/985B run just as frequent as today to a new terminal at Victoria Park. The subway would be realigned on Sheppard but I doubt we'll see any stations between Kennedy and McCowan with the current ML approach. They'll just claim it's too expensive for more stations.
source: https://www.tunneltalk.com/Toronto-LRT-May12-Tunneling-cut-on-Eglinton-and-Sheppard.php
Seriously what is good about this subway? I'll see the 85/985B run just as frequent as today to a new terminal at Victoria Park. The subway would be realigned on Sheppard but I doubt we'll see any stations between Kennedy and McCowan with the current ML approach. They'll just claim it's too expensive for more stations.
source: https://www.tunneltalk.com/Toronto-LRT-May12-Tunneling-cut-on-Eglinton-and-Sheppard.php
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Unless they build a one stop extension from Don Mills to McCowan along Sheppard.
Voltz
Senior Member
There is farmland in the area north of the zoo.
mdu
Active Member
National park farmland! A peculiarity to Rouge National Park.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
More stops does not equate to better service. I will take fewer stops on a subway line if it means the stations are equipped with bus terminals and run bus services far more frequently than they do today.
lenaitch
Senior Member
According to the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food & Rural Affairs (2016), there are 5240 acres classified as agricultural in Toronto. No doubt, beyond that which is captured in the Rouge Park, MRCA or otherwise protected, much of the lands still in commercial production is owned by developers and leased back until they can bulldoze it away.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
There is very little undeveloped land within the urban area in Toronto. Essentially the last chunk of it is getting developed as an Amazon warehouse right now in north-east Scarboorugh. The rest is either protected greenbelt or rouge park.
But yes, there is a small amount of farmland in the North-east corner of the city. It's not going anywhere though, and is literally only a handful of farms that could be counted on one hand. Most are privately owned from my understanding, as there is no development potential so developers aren't interested in buying and holding long term (unlike a lot of farmland on the edge of the GTA).
Rainforest
Senior Member
Agreed. After the SSE extension, there will be more benefit from building EELRT, and then a few other light rail lines in Scarborough and/or elsewhere.
Sheppard East subway extension may be considered eventually, but that's not a near-term priority.
jmacmillan
Active Member
Egregious waste of money. Scarborough needs an LRT network, not a subway.
Coolstar
Senior Member
Agreed and I live well east of McCowan Road in Scarborough.
OneCity
Senior Member
Seriously compared to a one stop subway or the transfer LRT it is more then welcome
The issue is LRT network was never designed to remove the transfer and on Sheppard was adding a new one. It shouldn't have been the difficult from the start to extend the BDL more economically or LRT in a connect manner, but it happened qnd the City was incapable of working on a reasonable solution. Atleast the Province fixed the Citys mess to provide the best possible scenario to move forward at this time.
I live on the East side as well I and I look forward to the subway being a the centrally connected backbone of the network. Shortens bus travel for those east of McCowan and removes a transfer for many, things that are and should always have been important when building a legacy line, and were grossly ignored.
More importantly now we can finally move on to focus on Sheppard subway, Eglinton east LRT and Ellesmere BRT. All also overdue.
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Allandale25
Senior Member
Apparently the deadline RFQ for the tunnel contract has been extended.
Update: here's the posting for it. I can't tell if the date has been extended.
Update: here's the posting for it. I can't tell if the date has been extended.
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MisterF
Senior Member
This seems relevant to the Scarborough extension and other suburban subways that are needlessly underground and have been plagued by political meddling.
New report shows the soaring costs of transit construction in Toronto
The report concludes that subway construction is now 9 times more expensive than in 1954, a number that accounts for inflation, and that costs really only started to spiral out of control around the turn of the millennium. That makes sense, because from the 60s to the 80s subways were put above ground if possible, especially is less dense suburban areas. The huge cost discrepancy is especially jarring when you consider that the subways in the 1950s were built in the heart of downtown with stations close together while modern subways have mostly been in less complex, less dense areas with stations far apart.
Something is seriously wrong with the way Toronto builds mass transit.
New report shows the soaring costs of transit construction in Toronto
The report concludes that subway construction is now 9 times more expensive than in 1954, a number that accounts for inflation, and that costs really only started to spiral out of control around the turn of the millennium. That makes sense, because from the 60s to the 80s subways were put above ground if possible, especially is less dense suburban areas. The huge cost discrepancy is especially jarring when you consider that the subways in the 1950s were built in the heart of downtown with stations close together while modern subways have mostly been in less complex, less dense areas with stations far apart.
Something is seriously wrong with the way Toronto builds mass transit.
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Streety McCarface
Senior Member
It's the way we value impact minimization. All these projects could be built much cheaper, even when deep boring it, if there weren't bylaws restricting almost all progress. No noise exceeding this amount and only between these times. No vibration whatsoever, no vibration from train operations, construction vehicles cannot use the roads during x times, etc etc etc. It adds way too much to project complexity, and becomes almost impossible for a contractor to manage without costs going out of control.
There's also the fact that the parties that usually bid on these projects have zero field experience.
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