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You think?? Yes it will cost all of us in higher fares.
Flawed Scarborough subway numbers could cost taxpayers millions
Flawed Scarborough subway numbers could cost taxpayers millions
That makes no sense...The ridership at Scarborough Centre is projected to be around the same as Kipling. I don't see the TTC short turning trains at Islington
You think?? Yes it will cost all of us in higher fares.
Flawed Scarborough subway numbers could cost taxpayers millions
Our leaders have seriously damaged their credibility with this whole subway fiasco. At this point, the only thing that's certain is that with each passing week, we learn that this subway is an even shittier deal for the city than anyone could have imagined.
Not to mention, the extension to Kipling happened in 1980, almost 40 years ago!! The ridership was probably what, like 2,000 pphd back then?
I guess that was a time when politicians and planners actually looked towards the future.
The extension to Kipling cost several millions of dollars, not $2.5 Billion. The Scarborough Subway is literally orders of magnitude more expensive than the Kipling extension.
The old MOU merging Eglinton to Scarborough was truly the best option.
We cancelled it for a good reason - to defeat Ford. Never mind that Metrolinx withheld their June 2012 report that said the combined line was best, the province knew they had to manipulate the players to achieve their goal.
Council managed to move left after that decision and virtually eliminate Ford from the transit file in early 2012.
The Province, fearing a conservative stronghold in Toronto won a by-election and then a majority and got their cousins elected Federally.
Who cares about $2B or $4B when this served an important political purpose.
What annoyed me particularly about the Eglinton East debacle is that the line went from in-median specs to multi-billion dollar deep bore specs, with seemingly no costing or mention about affordable grade-separation. Eg East is a massive highway-like road with virtually no NIMBYs fronting onto it. What better location to test the flexibility of light rail. Trench, cut-cover, elevated... there's a reason why cities the world over embrace light rail: the flexibility it offers.
Something similar happened with the portion near Leslie. There's a massive valley, but instead of looking at things like a new structure or side-of-the-road Metrolinx costed/presented the two extremes: in-median and deep bore tunneling. With the DRL they're clearly not averse to presenting outside the box plans, so why couldn't we have seen that with Eglinton East?
It was frustrating to hear that the TTC didn't want elevation on Eglinton East due to the "Noise"... Some of them should travel a bit more. I think elevating Eglinton East and the SRT merged to it as an LRT would have saved money for the Crosstown East (aka Malvern LRT)
Elevated Eglinton East + SRT merged to it as an LRT= Superior choice, making extending that line deeper into Scarborough way more cheaper for the future.
Our politicians are a joke. Despite the many flaws that the City of Montreal has, politics interfering with transit planning isn't one of them.
I'd much rather have Line 2 extended north in the RT corridor and Eglinton Line extended east, than have Eglinton Line turn north, introducing a forced transfer for the Crosstown East.
I'd much rather have Line 2 extended north in the RT corridor and Eglinton Line extended east, than have Eglinton Line turn north, introducing a forced transfer for the Crosstown East.
Both would be continuous lines, of course that would be better.
Problem is the the Transit City option was 0 continuous lines. When the Ford plan was defeated, they again went back to the 0 continuous line option. Even at the last election, all those who wanted to cancel the SSE wanted to revert to this same "everyone transfers" plan.
I wonder if it would be cheaper though to have the BD (line 2) continue on Eglinton and the ECLRT to merge with the SRT.
The combined ECLRT - SRT would also work well with a DRL to Eglinton. I think most people who didn't want the ECLRT grade-separated through Scarborough were also those opposed to the DRL.