Rainforest
Senior Member
Except that there are no single-family homes located close enough to the lone STC station to have their property value affected. Kind of a straw-man argument.
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Except that there are no single-family homes located close enough to the lone STC station to have their property value affected. Kind of a straw-man argument.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
Seeing the cost of the SRT subway is up and rising fast, the amount that is required should be a maximum for Scarborough. In other words, the original amount plus the amount for the LRT to UT Scar via Kingston. Now that the price of the one-stop subway is a billion higher and counting tell Scar residents that the extra amount needed for the subway will come out of the LRT budget which will effectively kill the LRT to UT Scar. Then you will see the desire for LRT instead of Danforth one-stop extension soar.
Just lay it on the line............there was XXX amount of money to spend on Scar and if they want the one-stop subway they have to realize that the Scar/UT LRT is a no-go.
Just lay it on the line............there was XXX amount of money to spend on Scar and if they want the one-stop subway they have to realize that the Scar/UT LRT is a no-go.
Palma
Senior Member
doug ford said he will not run
BurlOak
Senior Member
Montreal REM. 67km. $5.9B. $90M/km for fully grade-separated (elevated).
Vancouver Evergreen Line. 11km. $1.4B. $130M/km for fully grade separated (mostly elevated with some tunneling).
Toronto. 20km STC to Prince Edward (Bloor) Viaduct. Say $125M/km = $2.5B.
Does the downtown have to be underground? Probably. I still haven't found a good route from under the Prince Edward (Bloor) Viaduct to downtown. Say 6 km x $250M/km = $1.5B
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
Many people up here who supported the subway voted Tory. Refrain from the silly general conclusions.
Rainforest
Senior Member
Isn't the downtown portion the crucial part of the whole project? Basically, that's DRL #2. The one currently under consideration, is going to cost a lot more than $1.5B for the portion between Yonge and Danforth.
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Rainforest
Senior Member
"Eglinton East" LRT is a worthwhile project. In fact, it should have been included in the Phase 1 of Transit City; perhaps, instead of Sheppard East LRT.
That said, "Eglinton East" a) does not have a firmly committed funding, b) hardly anybody except the transit observers and bloggers have heard about it, and c) even when the locals hear about it, it does not strike them as something that can dramatically improve their lives.
Therefore, anything you might tell the Scar residents about "Eglinton East" LRT will have a very minor impact on their support of the subway.
cplchanb
Senior Member
I think for the betterment of our children and grandchildren that what ever has been decided sticks and we need to collectively move forward. sure the decision by council os polarizing, but a simple majority won, a democratic decision.
What they need to do now is try to figure out how to implement it instead of continuously complaining about either side and delaying construction. all that's going to happen is the cost will rise with every month they stall.
For those who supported the subway, hurry up and figure out how to implement this quickly and economically. to the naysayers, suck it up and move on. there's no point trying to revisit the past again and again simply because of what your ideology is on this subject
What they need to do now is try to figure out how to implement it instead of continuously complaining about either side and delaying construction. all that's going to happen is the cost will rise with every month they stall.
For those who supported the subway, hurry up and figure out how to implement this quickly and economically. to the naysayers, suck it up and move on. there's no point trying to revisit the past again and again simply because of what your ideology is on this subject
Neil
Active Member
Really? For the children and grandchildren? FFS
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Try not being overly pedantic. I was clearly talking within the context of this poll. Of all the polled groups, the only group of voters that supported the subway were Doug Ford voters.
salsa
Senior Member
They will be the ones still paying for this gravy train.
Euphoria
Active Member
The one-stop Scarborough subway and the Gardiner Hybrid projects are colossal wastes of money and worse for the city than the alternatives. Revert to the LRT plan and the boulevard plan east of Jarvis and suddenly the DRL and ST look a lot more affordable -- without tolling city highways! If explained this way, I believe the vast majority of residents in Scarborough and the rest of TO would agree.
BurlOak
Senior Member
Coming south, I see Sherbourne, Parliament, Bayview and Broadview as options. Then coming East, along King, Front/Wellington, Front, Mill/Esplanade.
Logistically, I can see tunneling from Bloor all the way, but it seems hard to come south elevated and then switch to underground for the east-west portion.
- Maybe elevated through downtown is not that bad after all. If its good enough for Scarborough, its good enough for the downtown.
- Alternatively, there could be no intermediate stations and just one near Wellington/Bay. Again, if 5+km subway with no intermediate stops is good enough for Scarborough, its good enough for the downtown.
SJD_Toronto
Active Member
Josh Matlow, is that you?
At this point, those plans should not be cancelled in favour other alternatives. The Bloor-Danforth extension and the Gardiner Hybrid should just go ahead without disruption because switching to alternatives just stalls progress and makes more of a mess of Toronto’s growing infrastructure and transit problems.
As Mayor John Tory keeps saying… No more talk. It’s time to build.
drum118
Superstar
Scarborough Subway Extension (SSE) Update
Further to the update provided in November, staff will now be preparing a report to the TTC board on January 18, 2017, the City's Executive Committee on January 19, 2017 and City Council on January 31 – February 2, 2017.
The report will include:
Further to the update provided in November, staff will now be preparing a report to the TTC board on January 18, 2017, the City's Executive Committee on January 19, 2017 and City Council on January 31 – February 2, 2017.
The report will include:
- The recommended alignment for the express SSE to Scarborough Centre;
- The outcome of the third party review of cost estimates and risk assessment requested by City Council in July 2016;
- Analysis of project delivery models, including a recommendation on how to proceed;
- Outlines the governance structure; and
- Updates the funding and financing strategy.