kEiThZ
Superstar
When we stop getting nonsense like FUD about migrant workers sure.
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When we stop getting nonsense like FUD about migrant workers sure.
Undead
Senior Member
Paranoia. I wish people were as passionate about getting construction costs in our city under control as they are about imaginary issues.
kEiThZ
Superstar
You mean like the list of imaginary issues the railfan from Sudbury claims to be sure is applicable to the Scarborough Subway?
Or do you agree that the reason subway construction is so expensive (for us) is because we don't have enough migrant workers, aren't killing enough people during construction and because of different gauge?
micheal_can
Senior Member
I understand the reasons.Still does not make it the best answer. Still does not make it off the shelf. Still adds costs.
I think the deaths of 80 people would like a word with you.
Last rail accident causing death in Canada was in the 1980s. Only 22 people died.
Regardless of which is better or worse, that standard does cause a higher cost to Canada.
Scores Dead In Spanish Train Crash
Spanish officials say at least 80 people have been killed and more than 140 injured in a high-speed train derailment in the northwestern part of the country.
www.rferl.org
Northern Light
Superstar
...think the deaths of 80 people would like a word with you.
Last rail accident causing death in Canada was in the 1980s. Only 22 people died.
Regardless of which is better or worse, that standard does cause a higher cost to Canada.
Scores Dead In Spanish Train Crash
Spanish officials say at least 80 people have been killed and more than 140 injured in a high-speed train derailment in the northwestern part of the country.
Michael is wrong about many, (most?) things. This is probably reflected in the fact he has me on ignore (I assume) since he hasn't replied to any of the corrections I've posted to his content in this thread.
Whatever.
But would someone like to take him to task on his 22 deaths remarks......by reminding him about Lac Megantic? (47). I mean, sure, fewer people constructing rail lines have died recently in Canada (we don't built many rail lines any more), but we certainly do endanger people from time to time.
kEiThZ
Superstar
lenaitch
Senior Member
And required constant upgrading after it opened to improve rickety bridges, actually bed the rail in ballast through the prairies, reduce grades, etc.
Pierre Burton also wrote two books and there was the subsequent TV miniseries, although perhaps not as enduring.
To be fair, some want to burn everything that happened before last Tuesday on the alter of colonializm. Give it time.
crs1026
Superstar
I never really understood until now...... In the last century, boondoggles and fantasy projects that had little chance of ever getting built were so indicated by adding "& Pacific" or "& Hudson Bay" to their name.
Now we just label them "Phase II". Much more efficient.
- Paul
micheal_can
Senior Member
I did not forget about it.
I was looking for the last accident involving a passenger train causing death.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Lol. Ah yes. They don't count, if they don't fit your argument.
drum118
Superstar
Big different between passenger trains and freight train death with you hearing more about freight death than passenger trains.
You can add commuter trains to that group and do you class commuter trains as passenger trains?? By rights, they are passenger trains.
Take it one step further, what about transit buses, subways, or intercity buses??
micheal_can
Senior Member
For me, if it runs on rails and carries paying people it is a passenger train.
Interestingly, no one brought up the bus crash with Via in Ottawa. That one, 5 people on the bus died, 35 were injured, but they were all on the bus. No one on the train was even injured. I'd say that the NA railway standards are working to keep passengers of the trains safe.
kEiThZ
Superstar
We started with construction deaths causing cost increases. Then we went to rail gauge and cost safety. And now we're saying bystander deaths don't count. Gotta love any discussion Michael is involved in.
When you don't have a lot of passenger rail, you aren't going to have a lot of passenger deaths. What's the per mile performance look like?
crs1026
Superstar
I'm sorry but the ignore button is the best solution to this very tortuous discussion.
- Paul
- Paul
drum118
Superstar
Cost of dead has led to increase cost for most things to the point it is overkill at the end of the day. Rail gauge plays no part in the cost of rail death nor cost for it other increase of maintenance cost of it that should be number 1 on the list regardless of what runs on it.
Don't reply much to Michael posting as they can be off the wall at times or unrelated to the thread.
What Michael is missing is the caused of these death as many been had been caused by operator errors, dispatchers, signal failure, mother nature, stupidly, equipment failure, poor track maintains, poorly built infrastructure, and the list goes on.
To find the death ratio, ones need to number of miles riders have travel, amount of freight has been moved along with the weight of it, time on a jobsite and so on.
At the end of the day, anyone death is not acceptable. I have seen far too many stupid things on jobsites that some workers need a real wakeup as to what they are doing wrong and be shown the door. I have sent a few out that door.