Cycling infrastructure (Separated bike lanes)

[dimonpc]

This is the time we really and truly get together, I'll take time off from work and will physically block any kind of removing bike lane constructions. This is going backwards, the level of incompetency is unbelievable. Every expect/urban planner on earth would say this is completely wrong and we'll have to build the bike lanes back eventually...

Anyway, I hope this bill will not pass. But if it is. I have no idea how we can possibly know when they'll start removing the bike lanes, they'll start doing it of all f a sudden complete unannounced knowing that the opposition is pretty strong.

 

[afransen]

She did just that on the interview scrum linked on the other page proceeding...

That is answering a question in a scrum. She should be organizing press conferences and doing interviews with that message.

 

[Northern Light]

This is the time we really and truly get together, I'll take time off from work and will physically block any kind of removing bike lane constructions. This is going backwards, the level of incompetency is unbelievable. Every expect/urban planner on earth would say this is completely wrong and we'll have to build the bike lanes back eventually...

May I suggest that helping to organize such a demo before any bill passed would be useful.

Picking a maximum pain point, that the group can deliver.

That is to say, cause disruption to the maximum number of drivers, and be able to enforce it, irrespective of any police intervention.

I'm not going to publicly offer that info, but if you want pointers. Find me.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

That is answering a question in a scrum. She should be organizing press conferences and doing interviews with that message.

...that was a press conference.

 

[guavadelic]

It's pretty clear from Doug's list, that those are roads he personally uses. The whole ridding of bike lanes seems to be very self-centred.

seems pretty clear that those routes are the streets cyclists should target in, say, a slow moving bike convoy...on days when the legislature is in session.

 

[Cambry Ardship]

Anyway, I hope this bill will not pass. But if it is. I have no idea how we can possibly know when they'll start removing the bike lanes, they'll start doing it of all f a sudden complete unannounced knowing that the opposition is pretty strong.

I think it sounds like the Province will have the power to compel the City to remove selected lanes/sections. So that means there would need to be procurement, drawings, approvals of plans--each step relatively public. And I'm not sure that there's an incentive for the City to move slowly or hide what is happening here.

 

[afransen]

...that was a press conference.

Then not a very well produced one. It needed to be visual and soundbyte-able to fit in 2 min longer news pieces and social media. The provincial government knows how to effectively communicate.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

...I think I hear a No True Scotsman wailing on bagpipes somewhere off in the distance. >.<

 

[DSCToronto]

I think it sounds like the Province will have the power to compel the City to remove selected lanes/sections. So that means there would need to be procurement, drawings, approvals of plans--each step relatively public. And I'm not sure that there's an incentive for the City to move slowly or hide what is happening here.

As noted above, the Bill proposes that the work will be organised by the PROVINCE and though the City might need to cooperate on the work they are not going to be in charge of it.

 

[afransen]

...I think I hear a No True Scotsman wailing on bagpipes somewhere off in the distance. >.<

It seemed like she was just answering questions after an event, not a press conference.

 

[just east of the creek]

Do not underestimate the political action side to this equation - keep communicating with your MPP and copies to the Premier, the Minister (s), your local councillor(s) and the Mayor. This is a political culture change that is required and recognizing that what might be good for Brampton (maybe?) is not good for Bloor Street. Do not underestimate spending $10 to join the provincial p.c. party and start influencing from the inside. (But get a separate gmail account as you will be inundated with fundraising, p.c. ‘News’ and their rather silly surveys).

 

[Northern Light]

seems pretty clear that those routes are the streets cyclists should target in, say, a slow moving bike convoy...on days when the legislature is in session.

I think its important to remember that whether or not the Premier actually intends to proceed with the legislation, and its implementation (I'll admit to doubts), that this is in fact theatre for his base.

While you may picture the Premier driving in from Etobicoke daily.............he actually spends a lot of time at a downtown condo......

Also, the legislature parking garage is actually accessed off of Wellesley, and Grosvernor

 

[Towered]

While you may picture the Premier driving in from Etobicoke daily.............he actually spends a lot of time at a downtown condo......

Inside Kinga Surma's box in the sky?

 

[TTCdinosaur]

Nice to see that when the "mods" are upset, they can get off topic too. Glad we're all the same page

Anyways, interesting study going around on mode-shift of students pre and post COVID: ;https://transformlab.torontomu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/PDF-Haseeb_Mitra_TRB2024-1.pdf

Unsurprisingly, mode-shift from public transit and active to automobiles. This type of data is important to how we plan and build infrastructure.

 

[Northern Light]

Anyways, interesting study going around on mode-shift of students pre and post COVID: ;https://transformlab.torontomu.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/PDF-Haseeb_Mitra_TRB2024-1.pdf

Unsurprisingly, mode-shift from public transit and active to automobiles. This type of data is important to how we plan and build infrastructure.

While interesting, I'm not convinced the data says what you think it does..........or that its terribly accurate.

1) Data was the result of a voluntary survey with very low response rates, only 6% pre-pandemic and only 14.8% post pandemic, with no hard data from sensors or transit usage stats to back it up.

2) Transit service was slashed during the pandemic and had not fully returned in spring '22 when the second survey was taken. Ridership has grown robustly for suburban transit since spring '22; the latter is factual, measurable truth.

3) Even if we took the data at face value..........we need to look at where the sources are located.

Important to see that there was no material shift at all in central Toronto.

Also important is all those blue dots which show a shift to transit.

The red dots are surprisingly few and most correlate with areas of lesser quality transit.

I'm fascinated to see that there is no dot at all for downtown Brampton or South Brampton, where we know transit ridership is up substantially, and not a single dot in Burlington of any description. That seems like pretty poor data quality lacking in granularity.

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There are dots in more areas on other charts........but really the response rate is quite poor, and its unclear to me whether its representative of the groups in question.