NoahB
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Your idea of balance is that it is acceptable for a small amount of people to die per year to shave minutes off your commute. Got it.
We don't want balance. We want to keep people from getting maimed or killed while biking.
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Cycling infrastructure (Separated bike lanes)
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We don't want balance. We want to keep people from getting maimed or killed while biking.
I believe that most respondents in this thread would prefer to stick to details of new cycling infrastructure, without having to be feel like their every post is going to be held up for debate by another member throwing around statistics and claims that are untethered to any reviewable studies. If we get reports of that continuing, we'll be making some longer-term adjustments to who has access to posting on UrbanToronto.
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Northern Light
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Sentinel Road raised cycle track tender is up for award and next week's Bid Award Ctte:
The work includes adding sidewalks, raised cycle track and boulevard improvements and green infrastructure.
The work includes adding sidewalks, raised cycle track and boulevard improvements and green infrastructure.
Mariner35
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Something of note over the last few months. With the addition of bike lanes/better infrastructure (albiet most just painted) on Gladstone both north of College and south of Dundas as part of the Bartlett Avenue, Havelock Street, and Gladstone Avenuebike route they are building, it has become quite the bike highway. It has pretty low vehicle traffic and it's keeping most people safe and off Dufferin. Of course the Cadbury factory and the truck traffic is likely the reason why lanes aren't on the stretch between College and Dundas all the bikers do get to enjoy the sweet smell of chocolate as they pass through.
Although it was a bit of comic relief during the shut down of Gladstone cause of the church fire to see all the poor bikers make it half way down the street only to have to turn around and trek it back around. Shows how important this route is though.
A successful example of utilizing adjacent streets that experience lower traffic to host bike traffic while keeping Dufferin open for the eventual dedicated bus lane.
Although it was a bit of comic relief during the shut down of Gladstone cause of the church fire to see all the poor bikers make it half way down the street only to have to turn around and trek it back around. Shows how important this route is though.
A successful example of utilizing adjacent streets that experience lower traffic to host bike traffic while keeping Dufferin open for the eventual dedicated bus lane.
Northern Light
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Said bus lane will be in place by summer 2026, for the World Cup. The only thing is making sure its permanent, not temporary.
UntitledCyclist
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I just noticed this (not new) plan to extend the York Beltline Trail east from Marlee to the Allen Road.
www.toronto.ca
It seems to be in suspended animation until 2026 due to work on an affordable housing development (which is fine by me).
There is another project council approved in July to build bike lanes on Marlee & Roselawn/Elm Ridge to help cyclists bridge that Allen gap between the Beltlines.
www.toronto.ca
Construction on that is slated for next year. So in theory we will have a bike-friendly on-street route connecting the York and Kay Gardiner trails first.
I am not seeing anything in either project to make a safe crossing to carry the trail across Marlee. Too close to the Roselawn intersection I'd gues. The second project has plans for bidirectional west-side lanes and a crossride at Marlee/Roselawn. So trail users will likely have to dogleg up to Roselawn and back down to access the new trail extension – or just risk riding across Marlee like mahy do on other Beltline crossings without signals.
Hopefuly the trail extension will have an eastern outlet up to Elm Ridge to link with the planned on-street lanes to cross the Allen.
It's good, though short of my (and Mike Colle's once) dream of an actual elevated trail bridge across the Allen.
Transportation staff never acted on a 2021 council motion of Colle's directing them to examine the feasability of such a bridge. I was told this was due to other priorities, and the shift to the options above.
The will of the people, thwarted! Maybe in my kid's lifetime?
York Beltline Trail Extension
Planned construction work for the trail extension project is temporarily paused due to the construction of the Reena Affordable Housing Project at 165 Elm Ridge Dr. Community engagement and design development for the trail extension will continue during this time. The City is extending the York...
www.toronto.ca
It seems to be in suspended animation until 2026 due to work on an affordable housing development (which is fine by me).
There is another project council approved in July to build bike lanes on Marlee & Roselawn/Elm Ridge to help cyclists bridge that Allen gap between the Beltlines.
Beltline Gap Connections
July Update: Council has approved the installation of bikeways and safety improvement to close the gap between the York Beltline and Kay Gardner Trails, including sections along Marlee Avenue, Roselawn Avenue and Elm Ridge Drive, and the Allen Greenway multi-use trail. View the staff report at...
www.toronto.ca
Construction on that is slated for next year. So in theory we will have a bike-friendly on-street route connecting the York and Kay Gardiner trails first.
I am not seeing anything in either project to make a safe crossing to carry the trail across Marlee. Too close to the Roselawn intersection I'd gues. The second project has plans for bidirectional west-side lanes and a crossride at Marlee/Roselawn. So trail users will likely have to dogleg up to Roselawn and back down to access the new trail extension – or just risk riding across Marlee like mahy do on other Beltline crossings without signals.
Hopefuly the trail extension will have an eastern outlet up to Elm Ridge to link with the planned on-street lanes to cross the Allen.
It's good, though short of my (and Mike Colle's once) dream of an actual elevated trail bridge across the Allen.
Transportation staff never acted on a 2021 council motion of Colle's directing them to examine the feasability of such a bridge. I was told this was due to other priorities, and the shift to the options above.
The will of the people, thwarted! Maybe in my kid's lifetime?
robmausser
Senior Member
I just noticed this (not new) plan to extend the York Beltline Trail east from Marlee to the Allen Road.
York Beltline Trail Extension
Planned construction work for the trail extension project is temporarily paused due to the construction of the Reena Affordable Housing Project at 165 Elm Ridge Dr. Community engagement and design development for the trail extension will continue during this time. The City is extending the York...
View attachment 594318
It seems to be in suspended animation until 2026 due to work on an affordable housing development (which is fine by me).
There is another project council approved in July to build bike lanes on Marlee & Roselawn/Elm Ridge to help cyclists bridge that Allen gap between the Beltlines.
Beltline Gap Connections
July Update: Council has approved the installation of bikeways and safety improvement to close the gap between the York Beltline and Kay Gardner Trails, including sections along Marlee Avenue, Roselawn Avenue and Elm Ridge Drive, and the Allen Greenway multi-use trail. View the staff report at...
View attachment 594319
Construction on that is slated for next year. So in theory we will have a bike-friendly on-street route connecting the York and Kay Gardiner trails first.
I am not seeing anything in either project to make a safe crossing to carry the trail across Marlee. Too close to the Roselawn intersection I'd gues. The second project has plans for bidirectional west-side lanes and a crossride at Marlee/Roselawn. So trail users will likely have to dogleg up to Roselawn and back down to access the new trail extension – or just risk riding across Marlee like mahy do on other Beltline crossings without signals.
Hopefuly the trail extension will have an eastern outlet up to Elm Ridge to link with the planned on-street lanes to cross the Allen.
It's good, though short of my (and Mike Colle's once) dream of an actual elevated trail bridge across the Allen.
Transportation staff never acted on a 2021 council motion of Colle's directing them to examine the feasability of such a bridge. I was told this was due to other priorities, and the shift to the options above.
The will of the people, thwarted! Maybe in my kid's lifetime?
As much as id love to see a bridge too, considering two road bridges are SO close, I dont see it being worth the money. Heck, close down the bridge south of the trail to car traffic and just convert it to a pedestrian only bridge. Its insane that bridge even exists at all! It connects two basically dead end streets.
On top of this, I hope to see the Allen decked over with a park, and so that would make building a new bridge a waste of money.
vic
Senior Member
Seems like connecting over Aldburn would be easy. There's already a ton of spare room in the painted "edge stripes" / gutters, plus sidewalk, etc. Should be able to shift the traffic lanes over and squeeze in a bi-directional trail. Don't even need to take over the whole bridge and get the drivers' undies in a knot.
There are even existing connections from Aldburn to the trails. They should probably be upgraded to be wider too.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth.Your idea of balance is that it is acceptable for a small amount of people to die per year to shave minutes off your commute. Got it.
We don't want balance. We want to keep people from getting maimed or killed while biking.
My goal is grade separated bike lanes, anything else is substandard infrastructure.
nfitz
Superstar
Which means grade-separated bike lanes on just about every major road in the city. Or banning bikes on any roads without proper infrastructure.
Otherwise there'll be excess deaths.
bearcat
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They are doing exactly what your propose but on the bridge north (Elm Ridge Drive) of the Beltline. There will be a bi-directional trail on the south side of the bridge.
See here:
https://www.toronto.ca/community-pe...tructure-projects/beltline-trail-gap-project/
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I am sure there will be, there is already a path along the Allen there.
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They would probably need to widen it and change the surface from concrete to asphalt, not sure if there would need to be some property expropriated from the apartment buildings to the west in order to widen the path though.
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PL1
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Millwood/Pape/Donlands from this afternoon. The paving has been completed, and they are painting lines. Some work to do, poles to install, etc
The final photo is from the SE corner.
The final photo is from the SE corner.
Northern Light
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PL1
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Agreed!
However, it would be great if they get the separate signal for SB traffic onto Pape operating. Currently the only SB signal shows the angled arrows for Donlands, but it's only one lane currently. So cars go onto Pape while *the pedestrian signal* shows the WALK sign for E-W.
Of course, I haven't complained to 311 or anything, but it is dangerous!